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pfloyd
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 15:47 |
I was referring to both the score of an album, but also it's rank on the top prog albums list. But anything goes, who really cares?
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pfloyd
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 15:52 |
"Tarkus" is brilliant, but Tarkus has "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?" Not exactly prog brilliance.
As for Brain Salad Surgery, we get "Benny the Bouncer" and frankly, "Toccata" is just awful. Never liked it at all.
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Interesting, I always enjoyed "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy," they kinda break the ice from the super intense opener. I also love "Toccata," when i'm in the right mood. I see where you are coming from though, they kinda ruin the flow. and yes, "Benny the Bouncer" absolutely sucks. I guess ELP would be ranked higher on it's individual songs than its albums. now get on that Astra review!
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 16:30 |
Close to the Edge.
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 16:31 |
pfloyd wrote:
"Tarkus" is brilliant, but Tarkus has "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?" Not exactly prog brilliance.
As for Brain Salad Surgery, we get "Benny the Bouncer" and frankly, "Toccata" is just awful. Never liked it at all.
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Interesting, I always enjoyed "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy," they kinda break the ice from the super intense opener. I also love "Toccata," when i'm in the right mood. I see where you are coming from though, they kinda ruin the flow. and yes, "Benny the Bouncer" absolutely sucks. I guess ELP would be ranked higher on it's individual songs than its albums. now get on that Astra review! |
I think those kind of things are best left for the encore and b-sides of singles - I don't need light relief on a album.
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thellama73
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 16:37 |
Dean wrote:
pfloyd wrote:
"Tarkus" is brilliant, but Tarkus has "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?" Not exactly prog brilliance.
As for Brain Salad Surgery, we get "Benny the Bouncer" and frankly, "Toccata" is just awful. Never liked it at all.
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Interesting, I always enjoyed "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy," they kinda break the ice from the super intense opener. I also love "Toccata," when i'm in the right mood. I see where you are coming from though, they kinda ruin the flow. and yes, "Benny the Bouncer" absolutely sucks. I guess ELP would be ranked higher on it's individual songs than its albums. now get on that Astra review! |
I think those kind of things are best left for the encore and b-sides of singles - I don't need light relief on a album. |
I understand what he is saying though. I feel the same way about Moonchild on ItCotCK and The Story of the Hare who Lost his Spectacles on A Passion Play. I happen to think the ELP attempts at relief are rubbish though.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 16:43 |
thellama73 wrote:
Dean wrote:
pfloyd wrote:
"Tarkus" is brilliant, but Tarkus has "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?" Not exactly prog brilliance.
As for Brain Salad Surgery, we get "Benny the Bouncer" and frankly, "Toccata" is just awful. Never liked it at all.
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Interesting, I always enjoyed "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy," they kinda break the ice from the super intense opener. I also love "Toccata," when i'm in the right mood. I see where you are coming from though, they kinda ruin the flow. and yes, "Benny the Bouncer" absolutely sucks. I guess ELP would be ranked higher on it's individual songs than its albums. now get on that Astra review! |
I think those kind of things are best left for the encore and b-sides of singles - I don't need light relief on a album. |
I understand what he is saying though. I feel the same way about Moonchild on ItCotCK and The Story of the Hare who Lost his Spectacles on A Passion Play. I happen to think the ELP attempts at relief are rubbish though.
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What about Moonchild is light relief?
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 16:54 |
Heldon V currently has a rating of 3.39. Mad, I say!!!! Should at least be 3.48....
Nah, a lot of the artist I love will probably never reach the lands of milk and honey, but I am fine with that. If music was about competition, then I would have rooted for the souped up bands....
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thellama73
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 16:59 |
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Dean wrote:
pfloyd wrote:
"Tarkus" is brilliant, but Tarkus has "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?" Not exactly prog brilliance.
As for Brain Salad Surgery, we get "Benny the Bouncer" and frankly, "Toccata" is just awful. Never liked it at all.
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Interesting, I always enjoyed "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy," they kinda break the ice from the super intense opener. I also love "Toccata," when i'm in the right mood. I see where you are coming from though, they kinda ruin the flow. and yes, "Benny the Bouncer" absolutely sucks. I guess ELP would be ranked higher on it's individual songs than its albums. now get on that Astra review! |
I think those kind of things are best left for the encore and b-sides of singles - I don't need light relief on a album. |
I understand what he is saying though. I feel the same way about Moonchild on ItCotCK and The Story of the Hare who Lost his Spectacles on A Passion Play. I happen to think the ELP attempts at relief are rubbish though.
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What about Moonchild is light relief? |
You don't think so? It has a nice quiet twelve minutes of peaceful ambiance between the intensity of Epitaph and the title track.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 17:26 |
sleeper wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Horizons wrote:
sleeper wrote:
It's amazing just how many really highly rated albums are being mentioned here, it really does seem that some people here think that if an album they really like has less than a 4.2 average it's being underrated!
I'll second the mention of Kayo Dot's Blue Lambency Downward, one of my favourite albums, I'm surprised it hasn't clicked more with Driver and general Avant/RIO fans, definiely better than a 3.2 IMO. |
Thank you, i was wondering why people are mentioning albums with ratings higher than 4.0.... |
The OP question is -What are some albums that you are surprised did not get higher rating?-
There are a few ways to clearly re-interpret this question. For example, I'm surprised "The Lamb" did not get a rating higher than 4.26 (as of the time of writing this post), albeit I don't really like this album but I hear people on this forum giving it so much praise, like "the best album ever" or "one of the best albums ever" or "a masterpiece", etc. The Softs' "Third" has 4.25, but it doesn't get as much mentioning.
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There are plenty of albums we don't see getting mentioned on a daily basis that we know are quite highly liked, there's just too many highly rated albums for that, but when albums have hundreds of reviews and ratings, as most of whats been mentioned in this thread has, and the poster is saying that a 4+ average is surprisingly low, then I think they are going to have rather rediculous expectations for how the rest of us percieve music. |
I think I see your point: that people who actively participate in this forum do not speak on behalf of those of the rest of the prog rock community who made up their minds about frequently rated/reviewed things like "The Lamb", right?
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 17:27 |
To be honest on checking most of these the ratings look about right.
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sleeper
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 17:38 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
sleeper wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
Horizons wrote:
sleeper wrote:
It's amazing just how many really highly rated albums are being mentioned here, it really does seem that some people here think that if an album they really like has less than a 4.2 average it's being underrated!
I'll second the mention of Kayo Dot's Blue Lambency Downward, one of my favourite albums, I'm surprised it hasn't clicked more with Driver and general Avant/RIO fans, definiely better than a 3.2 IMO. |
Thank you, i was wondering why people are mentioning albums with ratings higher than 4.0.... |
The OP question is -What are some albums that you are surprised did not get higher rating?-
There are a few ways to clearly re-interpret this question. For example, I'm surprised "The Lamb" did not get a rating higher than 4.26 (as of the time of writing this post), albeit I don't really like this album but I hear people on this forum giving it so much praise, like "the best album ever" or "one of the best albums ever" or "a masterpiece", etc. The Softs' "Third" has 4.25, but it doesn't get as much mentioning.
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There are plenty of albums we don't see getting mentioned on a daily basis that we know are quite highly liked, there's just too many highly rated albums for that, but when albums have hundreds of reviews and ratings, as most of whats been mentioned in this thread has, and the poster is saying that a 4+ average is surprisingly low, then I think they are going to have rather rediculous expectations for how the rest of us percieve music. |
I think I see your point: that people who actively participate in this forum do not speak on behalf of those of the rest of the prog rock community who made up their minds about frequently rated/reviewed things like "The Lamb", right? |
Well yes, but it was to the point that this forum has been going for 8 years now, we've talked about the classic albums to death already. The Lamb's one of those albums that has a lot of people that really like it and a strong contingent of those that doent think its up to much. By now the debates are done and dusted on such an album and those that dont like it much dont need to post about it all the time whereas those that do love the album will post about it when they think its relevant to the topic (and sometimes when its not  ). You are right though, there's something like 1500 reviews and ratings for Close to the Edge, but I'd be surprised if 10% of those people posted more than 10 times in the forum.
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Horizons
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 17:38 |
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
To be honest on checking most of these the ratings look about right.
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Have you heard Blue Lambency Downward?
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sleeper
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 17:39 |
pfloyd wrote:
I was referring to both the score of an album, but also it's rank on the top prog albums list. But anything goes, who really cares? |
I thought that would be the case, makes more sense than randomly reffering to another site or each persons own personal lists without saying so. BTW, what's your avatar from?
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Dean
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 17:51 |
^ looks like Warren Ellis's Transmetropolitan
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Nogbad_The_Bad
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 18:28 |
Horizons wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
To be honest on checking most of these the ratings look about right.
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Have you heard Blue Lambency Downward? |
Nope, I've only recently started checking out Kayo Dot. I have Coyote & like it. I'll check out some more soon. Should it be next?
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Epignosis
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 18:36 |
thellama73 wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Dean wrote:
pfloyd wrote:
"Tarkus" is brilliant, but Tarkus has "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?" Not exactly prog brilliance.
As for Brain Salad Surgery, we get "Benny the Bouncer" and frankly, "Toccata" is just awful. Never liked it at all.
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Interesting, I always enjoyed "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy," they kinda break the ice from the super intense opener. I also love "Toccata," when i'm in the right mood. I see where you are coming from though, they kinda ruin the flow. and yes, "Benny the Bouncer" absolutely sucks. I guess ELP would be ranked higher on it's individual songs than its albums. now get on that Astra review! |
I think those kind of things are best left for the encore and b-sides of singles - I don't need light relief on a album. |
I understand what he is saying though. I feel the same way about Moonchild on ItCotCK and The Story of the Hare who Lost his Spectacles on A Passion Play. I happen to think the ELP attempts at relief are rubbish though.
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What about Moonchild is light relief? |
You don't think so? It has a nice quiet twelve minutes of peaceful ambiance between the intensity of Epitaph and the title track.
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 18:36 |
Dream Theater Octavarium and Pain of Salvation One Hour by Concrete Lake
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thellama73
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 18:41 |
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Ambient Hurricanes wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Dean wrote:
pfloyd wrote:
"Tarkus" is brilliant, but Tarkus has "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy?" Not exactly prog brilliance.
As for Brain Salad Surgery, we get "Benny the Bouncer" and frankly, "Toccata" is just awful. Never liked it at all.
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Interesting, I always enjoyed "Jeremy Bender" and "Are You Ready Eddy," they kinda break the ice from the super intense opener. I also love "Toccata," when i'm in the right mood. I see where you are coming from though, they kinda ruin the flow. and yes, "Benny the Bouncer" absolutely sucks. I guess ELP would be ranked higher on it's individual songs than its albums. now get on that Astra review! |
I think those kind of things are best left for the encore and b-sides of singles - I don't need light relief on a album. |
I understand what he is saying though. I feel the same way about Moonchild on ItCotCK and The Story of the Hare who Lost his Spectacles on A Passion Play. I happen to think the ELP attempts at relief are rubbish though.
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What about Moonchild is light relief? |
You don't think so? It has a nice quiet twelve minutes of peaceful ambiance between the intensity of Epitaph and the title track.
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The last nine minutes of "Moonchild" are what keep it from being five stars for me.
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That seems to be how most people feel, but I need those nine minutes to prepare for the awesomeness of the last track.
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 18:56 |
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Cheer-Accident - Salad Days. It's one of the best avant-prog albums ever and it's currently rated at 2.22. |
As much as I do find stuff to enjoy in this album, it's probably my least favorite CA thus far...
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Posted: July 02 2012 at 19:29 |
The ratings are for amusement purposes only. Do not out too much stock in them.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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