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Neu!mann ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: January 21 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 704 |
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the King Crimson classic Ladies of the Road yet...a song about groupies and sex that was just good fun in the early 1970s, but might be considered offensive in the oversensitive, insecure 21st century.
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Stressed Cheese ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 16 2022 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 540 |
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I don't know why some people are so desperate to believe this. I know it might not be as apparent if you're over a certain age and primarily listen to (old) prog, but a lot of (mainstream) music (pop, rap, hip-hop, etc., but also rock) these days is much more daring and explicit than Ladies of the Road. Outside of the suggestive school-reporter mention, it probably doesn't even scratch the top of the most incorrect lyrics of its era, let alone outside of it.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19326 |
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Yes, context but not everyone gets that. If I called you a jerk without knowing you that would be different if I called you a jerk if I knew you for years and you knew my sense of humor. An outsider might not see that.
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AFlowerKingCrimson ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 02 2016 Location: Philly burbs Status: Offline Points: 19326 |
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Maybe but you hear a lot worse in lyrics today but they have to have a parental advisory sticker on them.
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SteveG ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20617 |
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Roy Harper - The Death Of God.
The Black Cloud Of Islam.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7521 |
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OP here....I appreciate any and all contributions! Personally, I would not have considered Ladies of the Road, but am glad for the suggestion! Regarding rap/hip-hop, the violent messages conveyed (killing police, abuse of women etc.) makes that some of the most repellent music. I dig the rhythms, but don't find much of value in it for listening. In retrospect, prog is probably the least offensive genre!
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21806 |
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Why? I fail to see why Rollins would want to do that to this guy specifically.
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65821 |
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^ What difference does it make-- freedom of expression includes many things, doesn't it.
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Saperlipopette! ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 20 2010 Location: Tomorrowland Status: Offline Points: 12984 |
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^ Well, it doesn't include breaking noses
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65821 |
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^ No but it includes me thinking a young Henry Rollins might react that way, and saying such. I'm sorry that bothers you. As for why I think it, I mentioned it's because of his political views... not to mention a crass version of his best known song. Yeah, you could say Henry might be a little peeved. Edited by Atavachron - September 07 2023 at 01:12 |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21806 |
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^ I don't know Henry Rollins personally, but I know descriptions of him having had anger issues in the past. But I'm not sure he's quite that petty.
This does not "bother" me - I merely find it intriguing that you would be so sure about how he reacts to satire. That level of confidence would suggest to me that there's some interviews or statements to that effect.
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ELP's Brain Salad Surgery (the album title, but the song on Works as well) was about fellatio.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15797 |
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I can't say about that, but according to Edward Macan's Rocking the Classics (1997, p.74), BSS is a concept album about "the opposition between man and machine that dominates the entire album". |
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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Cosmiclawnmower ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2010 Location: West Country,UK Status: Offline Points: 4019 |
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Not to mention 'Forbidden Fruit' off of Valentine..
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Stressed Cheese ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 16 2022 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 540 |
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Prog is really not that provocative or daring most of the time. Most of the more talked about prog albums are from the 70's anyway. I'm sure there's a lot of more positive rap, or rap that uses provocative imagery to talk about something important. But the stereotype of the genre isn't always that "nice" I guess. But it's not my genre.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7521 |
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Good catch, thanks! I remember that from years ago!
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Atavachron ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 30 2006 Location: Pearland Status: Offline Points: 65821 |
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^ Then stay clear of it. But this attitude of "You should be able to do what you want and if the artist or subject objects they're being anti-freedom!" is childish, unrealistic and frankly retarded. |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21806 |
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I don't think Lars mocked Henry Rollins - he mocked Joe Biden, who is a pathological liar, which makes the sarcastic video perfectly reasonable. Of course Rollins might object to the video for various reasons. But in a free society people have to be able to express their opinion without fear of violence. If you disagree with that - fine, but then you have to accept the fact that you are against a free society. You didn't say one way or the other - so suppose Henry Rollins today sees this video, gets angry, goes to "Lars"'s house, rings, and when he opens, Rollins punches him in the nose. Ok or not?
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