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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6897 |
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How can you be certain? You can't be 100% certain. However, you can manage a certainty level above 90% in many instances. Dive deep into a logic/critical thinking/statistics/ scientific method education. Dry test your skills against hundreds of examples of empirical data. Observe where your skills falter. Adapt/Adjust. Make sure your critical thinking skills consistently agree with empirical data. For example: I'm a biologist and RN. Biologists know that bacterial and viral diseases tend to mutate into LESS virulent forms. In 2020/2021, the media scared people into thinking COVID-19 would mutate into something even worse. Immediately I remembered mounds of bacterial/viral mutation empirical data. I thought, " Are decades worth of disease mutation data false, or is the media lying?" Constantly double-check your critical thinking skills. Does your logic alert you to lies, faulty data, and inconsistent logic? Put alternative explanations through your critical thinking grinder. Discard faulty explanations/hypotheses. Often, more than one explanation passes through your critical thinking shredder, relatively unscathed. Ask yourself, " Can both explanations be simultaneously true?" Sure...happens all the time. On the other hand, if the explanations are contradictory, you'll need more data to decipher the truth. As you refine your critical thinking skills, you will easily spot patterns that confused you in your younger daze. Also, you'll realize instances when you do not have enough information to decode the propaganda. You'll think, " I'm missing something." Wait for it. Usually, an obvious solution will reveal itself. You just need to wait for a few more cards to be played. If you studied the scientific method and stats, you can make predictions and apply statistical tests to measure the correlations. Empirical data suggests a correlation. Cause and effect are more difficult to prove, but you can at least rise above the noise and confusion and carry on like a wayward son. ![]() Don't be afraid to be wrong. It's OK to be wrong...just don't stay wrong. Treasure times when you're wrong. These are the most valuable. Why? Because you just improved your critical thinking skills by discarding faulty data for more reliable data. Edited by omphaloskepsis - October 22 2023 at 09:35 |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15787 |
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Ideologies are first and foremost a matter of values. So it's much about to clarify with oneself which values one consider to be the most important, and then try to support those ideologies which best correspond to those values. And as Cindy says, it's OK to be wrong...or it's better to be wrong than not to take any stance at all.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21804 |
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^ sure, there is a connection between ideologies and values. But when it comes to propaganda, it's more about truth. Propaganda is just a euphemism for lies and bullsh*t, often for the purpose of advancing an ideology or ulterior motive (profit).
So the question is: Can propaganda be used to advance an ideology, if it represents values you approve of? Or put more simply: Do the ends justify the means?
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15787 |
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Your first post, beginning with "It is almost impossible to KNOW you're right about any of the big narratives of our time. ", was about the big narratives in general, and it's only that I've responded to. ![]() |
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suitkees ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 19 2020 Location: France Status: Offline Points: 9050 |
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For those of you who don't trust the "mainstream media", I have two questions: 1. What is/who are the "mainstream media" according to you? 2. What are your (more or less) trusted information sources? |
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JD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 07 2009 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 18446 |
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2 - My puppy's plush love toy, Moose. It's never lied to me once.
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6897 |
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1. If it's on TV, I do not trust it. If a pattern emerges, such that an online publication like Huffpost parrots either CNN, CNBC, or FOX...I discard it as a source. I do not trust Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not allowed by Universities or any serious publication as a source. If you use Wikipedia on a college paper...you'll receive an F. I don't trust any media organization owned by Google, Yahoo, or partially owned by BlackRock and Vanguard. Together, BlackRock and Vanguard own:
• Eighteen percent of Fox. • Sixteen percent of CBS, and therefore also of Sixty Minutes. • Thirteen percent of Comcast, which owns NBC, MSNBC, CNBC, and the Sky media group. • Twelve percent of CNN. • Twelve percent of Disney, which owns ABC and FiveThirtyEight. • Between ten and fourteen percent of Gannett, which owns more than 250 Gannett daily newspapers plus USA Today. • Ten percent of the Sinclair local television news, which controls seventy-two percent of U.S. households’ local TV. • A large unspecified chunk of Graham Media Group, which owns Slate and Foreign Policy. Edited by omphaloskepsis - October 25 2023 at 07:30 |
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CosmicVibration ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 26 2014 Location: Milky Way Status: Offline Points: 1396 |
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Some mainstream media outlets, but there are many more. CNN ABC MSNBC Fox News Huffpost The Atlantic Guardian Ironically, I viewed Fox News as the worst in BS output until
about 3 years ago and things seemed to have flipped. I still scan my iphone for news articles, which mostly
consist of the list above plus others such as Bloomburg, The Hill, Washington
Post, etc. Rumble can be a good source with folks like Matt Taibbi and
others that I can’t remember the names offhand.
There are podcasts like Dark Horse and Joe Rogan that have interesting guests. |
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Sean Trane ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Prog Folk Joined: April 29 2004 Location: Heart of Europe Status: Offline Points: 20604 |
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If it's not printed on paper and kept in archives, I generally don't trust it. I can maybe trust some TV channels, but not internet sites, who most likely don't keep archives. If I hear something on radio, I will have to "read" it somewhere else for me to start believing it. 1. In times of heavy war tensions, journalism tends to sleep in the extablishment's bed >> see the Cold War propaganda that all western mainstream medias relayed for decades from the 40's to the end of the 80's. It somewhat disappeared from 90 until 05. 2. I tend to trust like you, Le Monde Diplomatique (but not really the daily Le Monde), but also Le Canard Enchainé (even if I almost never read it, because too Franco-centric) and Charlie Hebdo.
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Lewian ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: August 09 2015 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 15493 |
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A good guideline is to look for people who have a proven ability to criticise themselves and admit mistakes. Proper propaganda doesn't come with self-doubt.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15787 |
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But I'd like to point that the term "propaganda" has been used very differently and in much more complicated ways than you tell us in this post of yours. |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21804 |
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^ Propaganda is simply information spread with the intention of influencing people, with the implication being that it's false or bullsh*t. I think that the usage of the word in this thread has been largely compatible with this definition. If you do not, by all means elaborate.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15787 |
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I better correct it to: But I'd like to point that the term "propaganda" has been used in various and much more complicated ways than you tell us in this post of yours. |
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15787 |
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What I mean can be read in this article by Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda .
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omphaloskepsis ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 19 2011 Location: Texas Status: Offline Points: 6897 |
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Wikipedia is a major source of propaganda. If you use Wikipedia as a source on a college paper, you'll receive an F.
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21804 |
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^ Not going to read ten pages of definitions just because you aren't able to make a concise point.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15787 |
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Not necessary either, you've already got the main point. The rest of it, just if you're curious.
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I prophesy disaster ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 31 2017 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 4999 |
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People criticise Wikipedia, but there was a study performed by Nature in which Wikipedia was compared with Encyclopedia Brittanica. In this study, it was found that Wikipedia had on average about four inaccuracies per article compared to about three for Encyclopedia Brittanica. That's not a big difference considering their reputations. |
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No, I know how to behave in the restaurant now, I don't tear at the meat with my hands. If I've become a man of the world somehow, that's not necessarily to say I'm a worldly man.
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David_D ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 26 2010 Location: Copenhagen Status: Offline Points: 15787 |
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Colleges and universities have their own propaganda. ![]() |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21804 |
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If your point is simply that there are unnecessarily complex definitions of the word propaganda being used on the interwebs, I don't disagree
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