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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 04:05
As i wrote in another thread:
 
This new design is INSULTING, and it makes unjustify segregation between 'Collaborators\Experts', to 'Members' (i use the terms in the headers). Am i the only person who feel that way?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 04:15
My only grumble about the album review page layout is that it's a bit thin and doesn't use the full width of the screen. The content area is now very thin (760px?) - which when split into two makes the members reviews column extremely narrow. Also there is niow a redundant grey side panel on the right-hand edge (do I sense the return of the discography side-bar? Wink)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 04:23
As a longtime collaborator to this site, I believe the complaints of non-collab reviewers are very much justified. Not everyone has the time or energy to produce the number of reviews to become a PR, but they have the right to have some recognition for their work. Taking those non-collab reviews away from the album page was not very nice at all, in my humble opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 04:23
Originally posted by Tuzvihar Tuzvihar wrote:

Album covers are now automatically resized to 300 x 300. It doesn't look good when the original picture had smaller size, like here, though.
 
True! Cover image is still too stretched and looks awful!
Image resolution should be adjusted to fit all album covers (and band photos too) in the same way and 200x200 worked just fine...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 04:55
I saw the new scheme of reviews, it does indeed have a deep downside..

The difference, or the cut, between Collaborator Reviewers and "Normal" Reviewers could be less emphasized; after all, we did made already a difference when, in the algorithms, SC/PR reviews are counted as 10 points to the rate, NR as 3 and rates as 1. Wink I think that the normal arrangement from before, not this two columns new one, is fine as it is. There's enough space for reviews, plus the grouping of those reviews made by SC/PR and those made by "NR" doesn't damage.

One more thing I noticed is that those reviews made by senior members or guest members are shortened to a few lines, after which a (read more) button comprises the rest of the review. Not cool!

In conclusion, seems like this new change also doesn't really please. I know M@X is doing a good hard work into this maintainance/changes, but perhaps he could open up a thread of suggestions. Thumbs%20Up


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 10:13
There is a current new suggestions thread Rico. This is the right place for comments on the new layout. Keep them coming.
 
When commenting on the restricted initial view of non-collab reviews, please consider the complaint we get a lot that there are too many reviews shown for popular albums all at once. Is there a better way to address that then?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 10:29
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

There is a current new suggestions thread Rico. This is the right place for comments on the new layout. Keep them coming.
 
When commenting on the restricted initial view of non-collab reviews, please consider the complaint we get a lot that there are too many reviews shown for popular albums all at once. Is there a better way to address that then?


Well, the complaint doesn't influence the whole picture of non-collab reviews, in my opinion. Whether too many reviews for popular albums are made or two many reviews for popular albums are shown, not a significant difference. The old layout for those popular albums went pretty normal, in my opinion, all the collab reviews were nested first, then the (usually much longer) list of reviews and the "gruesome" list of rates (Tongue) followed. Right now, those albums still have an endless list of reviews, only put in two columns (and the one of non-collab reviews will still be longer, pushing down the page, than those of collaborators).

Anyhow, this issue doesn't address the problem of cutting non-collab reviews to a mere five lines, while the collab reviews are fully posted (and those of long paragraphs, like mine, really look squeezed). What happens to an "unpopular album", that's been reviewed only by a non-collab member, and it looks, exagerrately put, like that:

"This album is a great achievement and a great discovery. (read more)"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 13:53
^ as I have stated before, I disagree with the new layout and agree with Rico on many things. The paragraphs indeed look squeezed, and the non-collab reviews seem like a ''joke'' (excuse the hard word). The line in the middle also looks bad aesthetically, not only in terms of separating collabs with members.

The old layout was perfect, you could even see the list of ratings and short reviews...

Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

Is there a better way to address that then?


I believe that with the new layout the problem is not solved, if this was the purpose of the change.

What could be done is to keep the old layout, and after a representative number of reviews (i.e. 30, you decide for that) for this popular album, put a 'read more reviews' tag.Big%20smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 15:31
... which 30 would you propose, the latest, the first 30, the longest 30, etc.?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 15:41
I had no problem whatsoever with the old layout.  I don't see any problem in listing 10 collab reviews and 90 non-collab reviews on the same page.  Even if you believe that there should not be that many reviews on one page, it's absolutely silly to move the 90 non-collab reviews onto their own page and say that the problem is solved. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 13 2007 at 20:35
either do I. I like the way it was before.. we have an old saying in the south...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2007 at 21:02
1. Displaying only the first 300 characters of member reviews is not going to encourage anyone to write long reviews. The only reward for writing a review is to have it 'published' on the album page - now we are effectively saying "don't bother writing more than 50 words because no one will see them."
 
2. Where there are no Collab/Expert reviews and only member reviews - the page looks really bad: http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=16727 .
 
3. In the cases like above where there are only member reviews for an album the rating calculation for that album ought be treated as if they were Collab reviews, otherwise we are unfairly penalising an album just because a Collab hasn't reviewed it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2007 at 21:06
one thing... I think would be nice.. .and I do miss it.... is the ability to search by poster... some people are sharp as tacks.. and smarter than hell. Would be nice to know what they have to say during the day.. or even to know when someone has something to say to you.  Can't recall how many times I've seen answers or posts to me ...weeks later since I had moved on from a thread.  I know it was removed for performance resason... but still.... would be nice.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 14 2007 at 21:20
^ erm, that feature isn't disabled - it still works.
 
However, I am a little curious as to why the search of the text BODY was removed. I wouldn't have thought that even with 100 members online at any one time no more than two or three of us would be searching simultaneously. The main PA Search function that searches all bios, reviews and forum posts doesn't appear to be sluggish ... it managed to find the post I made about The Dream Academy in the "Intelligent New Wave" thread in 0.23 seconds..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2007 at 05:01
The forum body body had to be removed because of the volume of text the forum now contains. That search runs on our own server. Such searches were constantly timing out.
 
The main search function is powered by Google, who have far more sophisticated ways of supporting searching.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 15 2007 at 21:14
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

... which 30 would you propose, the latest, the first 30, the longest 30, etc.?
Sorry for taking such time to reply, but I was actually put in thoughts by your response; a logical question. I would suggest putting the latest 30 reviews on, i.e. 20 latest collab reviews and 10 latest member reviews. Usually the collabs write more 'comprehensive' reviews, thus, this would be a fair sorting out. This could be implemented for albums having too many reviews.

However, despite the vast number of reviews of some albums, I would not mind scrolling down the page to see all 300 reviews of SEBTP (anyway, the number of reviews actually read are significantly less).

Hope this helps, at least I tried...Big%20smileWink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 13:37
After thinking about this a while, I have to agree that the change to the reviews is just an awful, awful decision.   If the goal here is to get people interested in participating and reviewing albums, the new design is a BIG step backwards.  As the design also hides a lot of information in the interest of looking pretty, it also a big step backwards for those looking to use the page as a resource.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 13:38
Originally posted by Easy Livin Easy Livin wrote:

... which 30 would you propose, the latest, the first 30, the longest 30, etc.?
   Any such limit would be detrimental to getting more people to contribute.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 18 2007 at 14:41
I've reported the feedback on the layout changes to M@x.
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