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Posted: July 12 2010 at 14:00

North American record sales fueled the fire, as for the Byrds/Beatles thing........it was Gram Parsons who influenced England not the other way around, just listen to his song "ain`t no Beatle, ain`t no Rolling Stone, as far as I know the beatles never tried to infiltrate the Nashville scene, the Beatles are the originators of nothing while the Byrds with "sweetheart of the rodeo" are the pioneers of country rock......as a silly aside did you know the original American colonists spoke with British accents, go figure

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Posted: July 12 2010 at 14:50

Influences go back and forth. All prog music transcends the pond (as well as geology). The Beatles listened to Chuck Berry, Skip James, Carl Perkins and others. All Americans. The Byrds listened to the Beatles, Peter Paul & Mary, and others. The Beatles listened to the Byrds and did some folksey songs. No matter the artist, you will find this sort of thing. Music is not a line; it is a web. Prog belongs to no nation, as music itself belongs to no nation, as it belongs to no one individual. Is Yes prog itself? Of course not. I think everyone engaged in this thread, whether just reading or commenting, should read Plato's dialogue Gorgias, especially the part with Callicles, who changes his answers to Socrates repeatedly to clarify his initial statement. Sound familiar? The problem is that Callicles modifies his position so many times ad hoc, it loses all meaning.

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Posted: July 12 2010 at 17:11

Slartibartfast wrote:

J-Man wrote:

^ Sweden and USA are both neck and neck in modern prog IMO. In prog metal, Sweden may have the edge, but in symphonic USA has more great bands.

This doesn't have anything to do with Metalocalypse?
http://www.adultswim.com/shows/metalocalypse/index.html
I always got the impression that some of the characters are Swedish or some other sort of Scandinavian area types. I hope Sweden is considered part of the Scandan Navy and I just didn't make a goof.

Sweden is definatly part of Scandinavia which are the tripod kingdoms Denmark-Sweden-Norway of old the viking kingdoms, the Kalmar union which is basicly this

it is easy to be confused with the differences between Scandinavian countris and Nordic countris (which is the Scandinavian countris + Iceland, Finland and the Faroe Islands)

Scandinavia as name derives from the old norse or proto germanic origin, which is based on geograhicaly the Scaane (Skåne) district of Sweden (south district) and the Danoland Scandinav, (Daneland).

(if I am unclare on somthing you are welcome to partake the history + linguistic lesson )

Edited by aginor - July 12 2010 at 17:13

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Posted: July 12 2010 at 18:04

Why thank you. I thought I had that correct but was working off the top of my head, which usually works.

Edited by Slartibartfast - July 12 2010 at 21:44

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Posted: July 12 2010 at 18:18

I don't need to be thanked,

(and I don't ment to do this as a showeoff and not do i think you did not knew this) but I have this thing that I like to help, it's an instinct I have which gives me problems like I have problems saying NO if someone asks for help (or don't ask but are struggeling, wondering or don't remember at the moment), I also have tendsy to say what people are about to say but are slow at remember that exact word.

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Posted: July 12 2010 at 21:44

aginor wrote:

I don't need to be thanked,

Well, I was rather certain, but not absolutely. Sometimes you just have to be careful. Nice map pic. Sometimes hard to tell the serious thanks from the sarcastic. Mine was serious. Big smile

So, you guys appear to have the UK surrounded. Now is the time to attack them with music. Tongue

Edited by Slartibartfast - July 12 2010 at 21:45

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: July 13 2010 at 06:40

Catcher10 wrote:

Weird post...really who cares US vs UK??

The first molecule of progressive music is......

Everything is built around the blues.......

No, no! The first molecule of progressive music is...

Edward Grieg

Gustav Holst

Edgard Varése

and many other classical composers.

Everything is built around the classical music.....

Edited by Gandalff - July 13 2010 at 06:56

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Posted: July 13 2010 at 06:46

Here's how it goes with prog. The UK tend to be the originators, coming up with novel and intriguing new styles and modes. But it's the US that tend to use more advanced production techniques to refine and improve the sound, and they tend to have a better grip on technicality. Which one is better depends on whether you prefer originality or sonic precision/technical excellence.

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Posted: August 01 2010 at 04:13

UK bands predominates in Top 100. What´s more significant?

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Posted: August 01 2010 at 16:36

Don't forget that both UK and US are civilized and well developed countries (the most, or one of the most), but UK is much more smaller than US.

So wouldn't there be like 5-6x more "good" bands in US than in UK if only because of total number of population ?

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Posted: August 04 2010 at 04:48

Marty McFly wrote:

Don't forget that both UK and US are civilized and well developed countries (the most, or one of the most), but UK is much more smaller than US.

So wouldn't there be like 5-6x more "good" bands in US than in UK if only because of total number of population ?

Before the web bands needed a strong label to be known and labels are used to make business. I think there are few american bands respect to british because prog had a bit more space in UK. The previous decade was full of Blues revival british bands who were trying to sound "American". Beatles have changed the situation and convinced the British labels to invest on the "beat wave".

Also, without the iron curtain, we would now perhaps be discussing about Hungary or Slovakia,instead.

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Posted: August 04 2010 at 05:35

Gandalfino wrote:

UK bands predominates in Top 100. What´s more significant?

When good US band, like Glass Hammer are influenced by the great bands coming from UK... Wink

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Posted: August 04 2010 at 06:37

Marty McFly wrote:

Don't forget that both UK and US are civilized and well developed countries (the most, or one of the most), but UK is much more smaller than US.

So wouldn't there be like 5-6x more "good" bands in US than in UK if only because of total number of population ?

I kind of think of US as poorly developed in a lot of areas. LOL

But it really boils down to the UK being more receptive of prog. Over here prog fans may well be fewer in number.

Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Posted: August 04 2010 at 07:25

The U.S. is definitely dominating the U.K. in the metal scene, which is all that really matters to me.

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Posted: August 04 2010 at 07:28

UK!
harsh choice though

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Posted: August 05 2010 at 15:49

Gandalff wrote:

To Dick Heath:

OK, maybe the foundation on Prog Rock is American, but main formers of Prog are from Great Britain.

To Epignosis:

OK, I´ll correct my opinion "I mean American bands are always behind." to "sometimes behind".

I have thought just about that:

Byrds - American answer to Beatles,

Astra - -"- -"- to Pink Floyd,

Tool - -"- -"- to Porcupine Tree,

Yezda Urfa - -"- -"- to Gentle Giant,

Starcastle - -"- -"- to Yes,

Blue Oyster Cult - -"- to Black Sabbath, etc.

Of course, somebody can tell that sometimes American bands were the first , but I mean it´s only exemption.

Maybe we should go a bit further back and start listing bands that DID influence progressive music ... and make sure you make a decent list of the LA and SF bands ... and ... btw ... even John Lennon was quoted as saying that Frank Zappa was excellent and he loved the stuff ... so ... shall we try this again?

When you get done with the list ... let me know ... ohh, don't forget Santana ... it was quite progressive those first 3 albums ...

Which came first? The Chicken or the egg?

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