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Posted: January 02 2011 at 12:21
NecronCommander wrote:
Well, I guess I was mistaken then. I'd think at least Meshuggah's polyrhythms are instantly spottable, but I guess I was wrong.
You mean, Opeth never uses more complex rhythm textures than in this example? Sorry to hear that.
BTW, polyrhythm is for me if one instrument/voice plays in one time signature (e.g. 4/4) and the other instrument plays in a different time signature (e.g. 3/4) as in Debussy's Arabesque, where left and right hand plays in different time signatures. (Also very common in certain world music especially from East Asia.) This is not the case in this Meshuggah song. It is simply an odd time signature with an interesting off-beat.
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 12:53
Yes I'll give you that Necron Commander, Messhu8gah and Opeth are different (with a lot in common), but you can distinguish one from the other (with effort).
But I gave some examples:
Atheist
Crimson
Dissilution
Unexpect
Protest the Hero
Honestly, I find very little differences among them.
Iván
BTW: I still believe all (the ones I heard) the songs by PtH are almost exact.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - January 02 2011 at 12:58
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 13:04
Well, I'm a bit confused by some of the ones you've listed there. If by Crimson you mean Edge of Sanity (Crimson being their most famous album) and if #3 is supposed to be Disillusion, then that I can understand more, since the first three are all technical death metal bands, that kind of music is only really discernible by the trained ear.
UnexpecT, though? They've got a pretty unique nutso avant-garde style.
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 14:02
NecronCommander wrote:
Well, I'm a bit confused by some of the ones you've listed there. If by Crimson you mean Edge of Sanity (Crimson being their most famous album) and if #3 is supposed to be Disillusion, then that I can understand more, since the first three are all technical death metal bands, that kind of music is only really discernible by the trained ear.
That's my point, for the vast majority of mortals, they are the same
NecronCommander wrote:
UnexpecT, though? They've got a pretty unique nutso avant-garde style.
Sorry Commander, but to my ears, they have an almost exact sound.
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 14:06
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Yes I'll give you that Necron Commander, Messhu8gah and Opeth are different (with a lot in common), but you can distinguish one from the other (with effort).
But I gave some examples:
Atheist
Crimson
Dissilution
Unexpect
Protest the Hero
Honestly, I find very little differences among them.
Iván
BTW: I still believe all (the ones I heard) the songs by PtH are almost exact.
If you cant tell the difference between Unexpects Chromatic Chimera and anything from the other groupes I'd be very surprised. I think you ment Edge of Sanity for No.2, Crismon being their highest rated album.
A better example for big differences in this genre would be:
Opeth
Cynic
Canvas Solaris
Burst
Drudkh
To an extent, I can see where you're coming from Ivan.
Anyway, I like lost causes and I prefer PtH to Yes as it is (I prefer most prog bands to Yes though).
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 14:19
Oh my God! One could think that poll isn´t worth while. Too many posts in such weird contest are surely the first surprise in the new year. It seems you all had got limed to "Equality 7-2521"!
By the way, what´s the Protest The Hero?
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 14:25
I'm also a defender of lost causes, as a fact I'm not a particular fan of Yes, I'm thankful because they introduced me to Prog, now I can't stand Jon Anderson's acute voice for more than 2 minutes without having a nervous breakdown as if somebody was scratching a blackboard.
But the truth is that I can't find the difference between most Tech/Extreme Metal bands.
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 19:29
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Take five of the most common prog metal bands.
1) Dream Theater
2) Pain of Salvation
3) Opeth
4) Meshuggah
5) maudlin of the Well
Guarantee everyone here can tell them apart within about 5 seconds of a song.
Did you read my post?
I'm not sure if most of the non Metal listeners will distinguish all the most popular extreme bands.
We were talking about Tech Extreme Metal, and except Messhugah and Opeth (which are extremely similar to PtH), you don't mention another Tech/Extreme Prog Metal band
I could mention
Opeth
Atheist
Crimson
Dissilution
Unexpect
Don't tell me they don't sound incredibly similar (Not saying exact)...At least for me
Even NecronCommander, a mainly Metal listener, gently accepted my point:
NecronCommander wrote:
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I'm not sure if most of the non Metal listeners will distinguish all the most popular extreme bands.
This was more or less what I was trying to get at in the first place, yeah.
And this is a valid point too, I don't know if I considered that.
So please
If you want to contradict me, do it, but please don't change my words, I can recognize Pain of Salvation, Maudlin of the Well and Dream Theater, but none of them are Tech/Extreme Prog Metal bands
You will probably say you can recognize all Tech Extreme Prog Metal bands, but please ask to people who don't listen Prog Metal, I'm sure many will say they sound almost exactly the same.
Don't use "The "No, thank you. Let's move on" argument, because that's a cheap trick to stop me from answering, I gave you the 5 bands, ask the people.
Iván
Edit: I asked why all songs by this band sound exactly the same, read the previous post, seems that Formentera Lady agrees with me.
Who cares if Formentera Lady agrees? I don't. In fact, I think you're incredibly stupid to suggest such a thing.
Again, what does it matter if you can't tell the difference? I know 20 people who think Geddy Lee and David Surkamp sound exactly the same despite clear difference in their styles. You don't listen to metal. Why should you be one consulted to tell a difference?
You just provided 5 bands that sound nothing a like. Who the hell is going to confuse Opeth with Unexpect? Maybe if you're deaf, but besides that it's not going to happen. How about you just say that you lIke Yes and you don't like PtH instead of trying to make objective value judgements which are clearly influenced by yoru bias.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 20:31
Anthony H. wrote:
CCVP wrote:
LOL, troll threads are always amusing.
This one isn't as good as my DT vs. Magma one was, though.
Why? Just because DT is deeper and more philosophycal than that pseudo-intelectualoid noise disgrace to humanity will ever be? I see no reason to argue here. Deal with it.
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Posted: January 02 2011 at 20:50
CCVP wrote:
Iván, these bands are as similar sounding metal bands as Genesis, Yes, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull and King Crimson are similar sounding rock bands.
I insist, nobody with normal audition can mistake
Yes with Pink Floyd
Genesis with Jethro Tull or
King Crimson with ELP
All the vocalists are different, all the music is different, their influences are different, and even their sub-genres are different.
While even a Metal expert admits that some Tech Extreme bands require of a very trained ear to distinguish one from the other,
Ask non metal Prog fans, and ,most of them will tell you that they can't find differences between extreme bands, ask any Prog Metal fan, and he/she will distinguish Yes from Genesis, King Crimson or Jethro Tull in a couple of seconds.
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.These bands have their own sound and style.Ok!
CCVP wrote:
Protest The Hero?
