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JJLehto
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Posted: February 24 2013 at 11:16 |
That is good news.
Daytona, and thus Talladega, are still dangerous places it seems. What's crazy is that crash is just like the one in 1988, that caused NASCAR to put the restrictor plates on to slow the cars down...though it seems not have helped greatly and leads to those constantly on edge packs that cause 20 car pile ups. Can't go unrestricted though in tests they reached like 220+ mph
I heard years ago changing to fuel injection would end the need but I read now they've done already? Maybe the only real solution, if fan safety is a primary concern, is something Dale Earnhardt said...level those banked turns. Cars have simply gotten too fast for these crazy banked turns on a big track...level the turns to 12 degrees or something like that, it will force drivers to left off the gas and would break up packs.
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Posted: February 24 2013 at 11:49 |
Wow, just realized I started watching nascar full time, thus soon F1, Indy, rally, ALMS and etc in 2003. 10 years sure has gone fast. Well, havn't watched the 500 in a few years, might as well catch it again. Maybe it'll be a good one. LOL I was wondering when Danica walked that pathway if fans would try groping her
Edited by JJLehto - February 24 2013 at 11:50
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MillsLayne
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Posted: February 24 2013 at 17:45 |
Well, I can honestly say that that Daytona 500 was one of the worst 500's I've seen in years. No challenge for the lead or anything. All Johnson had to do was keep it in a straight line and it was his. Greg Biffle did absolutely nothing while riding around in 2nd for the 2nd year in a row! He did nothing!
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JJLehto
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Posted: February 24 2013 at 18:06 |
Yeah it was pretty bland. Honestly....this happens far more often than it's exciting. It's always 190 laps of riding in line, then either there's craziness or they ride it out to the end. Plate racing really does suck.
The only excitement at all was the good move Jr made to grab second.
Where's F1 when we need it!
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Posted: February 24 2013 at 18:13 |
MillsLayne wrote:
Well, I can honestly say that that Daytona 500 was one of the worst 500's I've seen in years. No challenge for the lead or anything. All Johnson had to do was keep it in a straight line and it was his. Greg Biffle did absolutely nothing while riding around in 2nd for the 2nd year in a row! He did nothing! |
Oh he did something alright...he fell back to 6th!
I assume the blame can be put on the new car? I haven't heard much about it (how its different/etc) but I assume it doesn't punch through the air like the old one. At least, I never recall Daytona being so much about track position in the 'recent' past.
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MillsLayne
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Posted: February 25 2013 at 04:59 |
But at least try and make a move. He literally did nothing. At least Dale Jr. tried something. Keep in mind that this is the second year in a row Biffle was in second on the last lap and made no attempt to actually win it. And I usually defend the guy.
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Posted: February 25 2013 at 06:28 |
I've heard it was a rather processional race, not something that normally gets said about NASCAR.
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JJLehto
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Posted: February 25 2013 at 18:12 |
sleeper wrote:
I've heard it was a rather processional race, not something that normally gets said about NASCAR.
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Indeed, but it IS a pretty common for the restrictor plate races. Which is a shame since the big race of them all, Daytona, is one  it ends up pretty boring often TBH. Because all the cars end up in a giant pack the race is either crazy exciting with constant lead changes, attacks, teamwork and strategy...OR what happens 80% of the time is they race in lines for most of it, and the final few laps go crazy. When 30 cars are averaging near 200 mph for 500 miles, just a foot apart from each other it's pretty dangerous to get too dicey, so lines just form for most of the race. Which is why I said earlier they need to flatten the turns...so drivers would have to life off the gas. May produce an actual race for once
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Posted: February 25 2013 at 22:26 |
^ Well generally they get pack racing, which is anything but a follow the leader type situation. Not really the case on Sunday. The nationwide event (accident at the end notwithstanding) was much better with a lot of overtaking and plenty of action for the lead.
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Posted: February 25 2013 at 22:27 |
MillsLayne wrote:
But at least try and make a move. He literally did nothing. At least Dale Jr. tried something. Keep in mind that this is the second year in a row Biffle was in second on the last lap and made no attempt to actually win it. And I usually defend the guy.
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No help = no move. He had no help, even if he pulled out of line he would have plummeted all the same.
Now, I still agree with you he should have tried something but I just don't see it working any differently.
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JJLehto
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Posted: February 26 2013 at 16:54 |
Yeah, I think it was more the no help case. Last year was different, when Biffle literally made no attempt...with an actual chance to make something happen! When Dale Jr was willing to push and he just sat there like he was tethered to Kenseth's bumper. I recall him admitting to he felt bad for kinda jipping his teammate in an earlier race...awfully noble of him but it's the 500. Gotta go for it!
Edited by JJLehto - February 26 2013 at 16:54
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MillsLayne
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Posted: February 27 2013 at 00:30 |
I can guarantee you that had Biffle pulled out, Danica would've gone with him, and with as strong as her car was, they probably would've blown by him. Usually, the second place car needs to make the move or they WILL get left out to dry. Oh well, no worries since the REAL season starts this weekend at Phoenix. Great track with great racing.
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Posted: February 27 2013 at 02:19 |
I'm by no means as sure of either of those things. But whats done is done. Hopefully one year the Biff can break on through and actually win it.
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MillsLayne
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Posted: February 27 2013 at 03:24 |
I'm just hoping it wasn't ALL a product of the new car. Otherwise, 'Dega and Daytona are in trouble.
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Posted: February 27 2013 at 20:37 |
^ Guess only time will tell. I'm sure they'll tinker with things too as time goes on as they always do...esp if they keep having races like that one at the plate tracks.
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Posted: February 28 2013 at 06:26 |
Looks like the last spot on the grid will be confirmed today with Adrain Sutil rejoining Force India, so the line up looks like this:
Red Bull- Sebastian Vettel/ Mark Webber Ferrari- Fernando Alonso/ Felipe Massa McLaren- Jneson Button/ Sergio Perez Lotus- Kimi Raikkonen/ Romain Grosjean Mercedes- Lewis Hamilton/ Nico Rosberg Sauber- Nico Hulkenberg/ Esteban Gutierrez Force India- Paul di Resta/ Adrian Sutil Williams- Pastor Maldonardo/ Valtori Bottas Torro Rosso- Danial Ricciardo/ Jean Eric Vergne Caterham- Charles Pic/ Giedo van der Garde Marussia- Max Chilton/ Luiz Razia
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Posted: March 01 2013 at 11:52 |
Didn't take long for my las tpost to become redundant. Turns out Luiz Razia's sponsors haven't been following through with the payments so he's already been dropped. Jules Bianchi seems set to take his seat with a bit of help from Ferrari.
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 19:08 |
MillsLayne wrote:
Otherwise, 'Dega and Daytona are in trouble.
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Level those damn turns, only true solution!
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MillsLayne
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 21:42 |
^Or just get rid of the restrictor plate. It's the great equalizer that creates those huge packs. Without it, you won't have the big one and you'd have a bunch of smaller races going on all over the track. Not just one huge pack with nowhere to go.
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JJLehto
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Posted: March 02 2013 at 23:55 |
Yeah but then won't they be going suicidally fast? I think Rusty Wallace averaged like 224 mph or around there! God forbid a car actually cleared a fence/got through. Man that's the end of nascar right there.
Glad to see the F1 lineup is out, some new faces. Though I've known of Jules and Valtteri, cool to see them finally here.
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