Why do so many bands do just one double album?!

ExittheLemming wrote: Dean wrote: dr wu23 wrote: I don't know about 'the padding and filler myth', but I own most of the double's mentioned as wel as some others and when I do play them (not as much as the single albums by the same bands btw), I usually play only one of the discs/vinyl sides because the other has weaker material. But maybe that's just me......... Which half of The Lamb Lies Down, Tales From Topographic Oceans, Quadrophenia, Tommy, The Wall, Electric Ladyland, Exile on Mainstreamstreet, 666, Tanz der Lemminge, Focus 3, Aerial is the weaker half. (Deliberately ignoring double live album of course because it's a well known fact that bands put all their weaker material in the second half of their live sets and save the really weak filler for the very end, and the weak padding songs for the encore). For someone as knowledgeable and astute as yourself, I cannot fathom why you cling to the naive belief that musicians and artists don't have their bad days at the office/recording studio like the rest of us. Maybe it's just the terminology of padding and filler that irks you so? Is it unreasonable to ask why you wouldn't acknowledge that maybe Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters Jon Anderson, Pete Townshend, Jimi Hendrix et al are occasionally guilty of letting something through that they know maybe isn't on a par with the rest of an album's material or even their previous work?. They all have managers, record companies,wives,mistresses,tax men on their back, suffer downturns in creativity, crises of confidence, deadlines to meet, impaired judgement/faculties (deliberately or otherwise) so-called writer's block and (gulp) even fall ill or just get plain vanilla jaded, lazy and sloppy, tired and emotional etc Your final comments about double live albums are testimony to the great and the good clearly not being immunized from mediocrity. You're starting to resemble the 13/14 edition of Man Utd.

Dean wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: Dean wrote: dr wu23 wrote: I don't know about 'the padding and filler myth', but I own most of the double's mentioned as wel as some others and when I do play them (not as much as the single albums by the same bands btw), I usually play only one of the discs/vinyl sides because the other has weaker material. But maybe that's just me......... Which half of The Lamb Lies Down, Tales From Topographic Oceans, Quadrophenia, Tommy, The Wall, Electric Ladyland, Exile on Mainstreamstreet, 666, Tanz der Lemminge, Focus 3, Aerial is the weaker half. (Deliberately ignoring double live album of course because it's a well known fact that bands put all their weaker material in the second half of their live sets and save the really weak filler for the very end, and the weak padding songs for the encore). For someone as knowledgeable and astute as yourself, I cannot fathom why you cling to the naive belief that musicians and artists don't have their bad days at the office/recording studio like the rest of us. Maybe it's just the terminology of padding and filler that irks you so? Is it unreasonable to ask why you wouldn't acknowledge that maybe Peter Gabriel, Roger Waters Jon Anderson, Pete Townshend, Jimi Hendrix et al are occasionally guilty of letting something through that they know maybe isn't on a par with the rest of an album's material or even their previous work?. They all have managers, record companies,wives,mistresses,tax men on their back, suffer downturns in creativity, crises of confidence, deadlines to meet, impaired judgement/faculties (deliberately or otherwise) so-called writer's block and (gulp) even fall ill or just get plain vanilla jaded, lazy and sloppy, tired and emotional etc Your final comments about double live albums are testimony to the great and the good clearly not being immunized from mediocrity. You're starting to resemble the 13/14 edition of Man Utd. No idea what that means, (I don't follow football, have no interest in football and no desire to find out), I'll take it to mean something that I'm not going to like just to save time and energy. The mediocre is not something anyone strives to achieve, if they arrive at mediocrity it is not for the want of trying, nor is it something that is planned. If you judge something to be mediocre and call it filler then yip-di-do, I'll continue to call it mediocre and will not treat the two as synonymous. So, yep, the terminology hacks me off ::insert appropriately pithy football metaphor here:: I've read your comment about my comments about double live albums over and over and I don't get it - have we become so inured by the internet now that sarcasm is only recognised if it is terminated by a sticky-out-tongue emoticon? :-p However, you are not dr wu23.

Everyone knows you were being sarcastic, but if you can no longer be good at it, don't. (ELP take note) You've just honed in on the football comment as a a transparent diversion technique i.e. I've called you out for being credulous and permanently in thrall to your fave musicians and you have responded with precisely squat. There's also your usual helpining of grammatical pedantry which is just a waste of everyone's time and energy. I might start a petition to get you reinstated as an Admin, you were a damn site better value then.

Kati wrote: Recently, considering that most prog bands do not get a return for their money/investment for their cd sales, this is a fact why most do not produce double albums, also a big reason is the cost I think, CDBaby who are one of the biggest distributors in the world charge twice the amount for a double album compared to a normal one, thus equal as two different albums, postage in terms of weight also does play a major role I think.

Fortunately digital releases don't have any of these problems.

ExittheLemming wrote: Dean wrote: ExittheLemming wrote:   Everyone knows you were being sarcastic, but if you can no longer be good at it, don't. (ELP take note) You've just honed in on the football comment as a a transparent diversion technique i.e. I've called you out for being credulous and permanently in thrall to your fave musicians and you have responded with precisely squat. There's also your usual helpining of grammatical pedantry which is just a waste of everyone's time and energy. I might start a petition to get you reinstated as an Admin, you were a damn site better value then. ........................ Another incentive for everyone in having you reinstated as an Admin: you would post less, especially kneejerk childish crap like the above. Grow up, you've got nothing hippy...

Rick Robson wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: Dean wrote: ExittheLemming wrote:  Everyone knows you were being sarcastic, but if you can no longer be good at it, don't. (ELP take note) You've just honed in on the football comment as a a transparent diversion technique i.e. I've called you out for being credulous and permanently in thrall to your fave musicians and you have responded with precisely squat. There's also your usual helpining of grammatical pedantry which is just a waste of everyone's time and energy. I might start a petition to get you reinstated as an Admin, you were a damn site better value then. ........................ Another incentive for everyone in having you reinstated as an Admin: you would post less, especially kneejerk childish crap like the above. Grow up, you've got nothing hippy...   Agreed, but for the sake of this forum i think you shouldn't waste your time anymore and get back to what the thread title suggests.

Cooee!!!! Awwwww    leave Dean alone, yes he might be uber grumpy at times but I love his input and knowledge on our forum topics. Heck I get it wrong at times and Dean is the first person to point that out leave my favorite Grumpy number one alone because he certainly adds so much more value, knowledge and interest to our forum topics. huge hug to all

P.S. I love football, this pic attached is me at the Fifa Worls Cup 2010 in Cape Town South Africa supporting my favorite team    

Edited by Kati - March 17 2014 at 19:12

Polymorphia wrote: Oh come on you two. Sip up your puréed potatoes and join me in a chorus of "Mairzy Doats."

I am not much fond of bangers and mash to be honest

that is a pop song, can't remember the band name but I think they also performed a song with Bing Crosby and he did a Christmas special with the sexiest man alive aka David Bowie

P.S. Even if Mairzy Doats sound a bit like lonely Tunes Cartoons I kinda find it fun lol

Edited by Kati - March 17 2014 at 19:55

Tough call, but voted Third.

Polymorphia wrote: Kati wrote: that is a pop song, can't remember the band name but I think they also performed a song with Bing Crosby and he did a Christmas special with the sexiest man alive aka David Bowie P.S. Even if Mairzy Doats sound a bit like lonely Tunes Cartoons I kinda find it fun lol It's an old WWII era song. Don't remember who performed it.Lonely Tunes Cartoons sounds like the name of an emo band.

hihihi Polymorphia
Honestly in terms of lonely/looney tunes all you have to listen, is this and you will get it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl4NqYs234Q Betty Boop Cartoons 1 hug to

Logos wrote: akamaisondufromage wrote: Logos wrote: The Lamb is mostly filler to my ears. Hold me back... somebody hold me back..... No need to attack me!  I love the Gabe and I love Genesis, but I'm afraid I just don't like The Lamb. It's a prime example of a lyrics-first approach in my mind - music should always come first.  On the other hand, I just listened to Tales from Topographic Oceans - good stuff!

I have to disagree with you Logos,
as I do like this track, considering I too pay no attention to lyrics (to date I still have not memorized these lyrics), no idea really except that it starts with a fab crescendo, turned popish and then ahahaha fab and again a tad pop with added funk whatever I love the build up and the feel sound of i.e. club 54 aka Saturday night vibe too lolol hug to you
P.S. I too think that music should come first to lyrics

Edited by Kati - March 17 2014 at 20:56