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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2013 at 13:43
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Gee golly I can't wait until we forget Republicans did this and vote them in again next time.


It'd be nicer if we stop putting blame on individual parties, where they don't lie singularly, and just stop voting in the character of politician we've acquiesced to the last 100 years.
I agree but the people that run for office are usually self serving and the kind of people that many of us would like to see in office simply don't get involved in politics.
Regarding the original thread title.......'liberty' has died a long time ago.


I doubt that. It's a survivor's bias. Plenty of good and principled people get involved in politics, but they find out at the local level the nature of the beast and either change or leave.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Gee golly I can't wait until we forget Republicans did this and vote them in again next time.


It'd be nicer if we stop putting blame on individual parties, where they don't lie singularly, and just stop voting in the character of politician we've acquiesced to the last 100 years.
Would be nice eh?
 
 
Soooo it appears the government has shut down.
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oooooor more like everything seems to be continuing except the parks, and a few marines/military people have been cut off from their healthcare.
And what? Obamacare wont be impacted by this? AND GOP is getting all the blame for this, just as people said would happen?
 
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The comedy of errors and plain ol stupidity is impressive to be honest.
 
But hey, it's their turn. Years back I was slamming my head against a wall saying "WTF is wrong with you Democrats, are you guys idiots?" Glad to know it's universal Cry
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Gee golly I can't wait until we forget Republicans did this and vote them in again next time.


It'd be nicer if we stop putting blame on individual parties, where they don't lie singularly, and just stop voting in the character of politician we've acquiesced to the last 100 years.
I agree but the people that run for office are usually self serving and the kind of people that many of us would like to see in office simply don't get involved in politics.
Regarding the original thread title.......'liberty' has died a long time ago.
One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Gee golly I can't wait until we forget Republicans did this and vote them in again next time.
The people will continue to vote in these idjits...on both the right and the left.
But for the GOP idjits to shut down govt because they don't like a specific bill that is already law shows what kind of people they really are.
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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Gee golly I can't wait until we forget Republicans did this and vote them in again next time.


It'd be nicer if we stop putting blame on individual parties, where they don't lie singularly, and just stop voting in the character of politician we've acquiesced to the last 100 years.
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I can't say I've been really following, but I've heard that "essential" functions would continue, making the shutdown even more of a spectacle than it already is, except I guess there are real consequences.

Well, that's merka for you. Wubya and co were about as unpopular as the devil....2 years later ZOMG WTF BAMA GIVE US THE GOP!!!!
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Gee golly I can't wait until we forget Republicans did this and vote them in again next time.
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Another shutdown-looms period. It's really getting ridiculous. Every year.
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Well, unless something changes isn't tomorrow a big day? At lease symbolically?
The exchanges under "obamacare" open up, at least they're supposed to.
 
I'm not sure if anyone even knows what exactly they are or how they'll work.
 
What a mess, really wish it could be reset and redone with a more direct, universal aspect based on a more open market. Current system is hideously closed and uncompetitive and ACA is labyrinth. I wanna hold hope that in the loooong run this will end up producing some positives, but would be nice if it was directly stated as a goal anot this wreck.
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I mean it's some dude's blog, guess I can let it go but yeah was a bit of pure Bama bashing. Some solid points though. Even if inflammatory gotta love the image of the last one:

[S]overeignty cannot be a shield for tyrants to commit wanton murder.”  Says a man who reads through a list of potential murder victims on Tuesdays and ticks off the ones he wants murdered.
 
I imagine him making that nice setence in a powerful speech, then turning around going to his room, kicks the feet up and ponders 'hmmm who to drone today?" : /
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Agreed. These types of fact checks should be done more often. But they rarely are.

An anarcho-communist friend showed it to me so it wouldn't be surprising to have it be from a progressive site.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Top 45 Lines in Obama's UN Speech
dang, impressive
 
Some are a stretch but that is quite a thorough shredding.
This one may have been my favorite: “Iraq shows us that democracy cannot be imposed by force.” This could have been true had the U.S. attempted to impose democracy.
 
I know that blog though, I may be wrong but I believe it's a pretty progressive one (and the quoting of Steve Keen and Stiglitz would lend more to that). Edit: eh Zero Hedge is in there too so who knowsLOL


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Top 45 Lines in Obama's UN Speech
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I was gunna say, that's a pretty good point Stoney but IDK...the Prez can always pull out some war capital. OR he could say f**k it and just do it, but thankfully Obama seems to be a normal politician and care, at least a bit, what we think of himLOL Good ol wubya, not even his advisors/cabinet members could sway that man...
 
 It is true though, 9/11 has become distant enough, hopefully the world, (and the US) is starting to say OK POTUS knock it off now.
 
 
 


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Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Obama has no "War Capital" left. At all. And it's pretty obvious. Bush had a ton of it, especially riding 9/11. That doesn't fly these days.


It's more the US's relative weakness compared to a decade ago and the opposition of the international community.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I have to say I'm mildly impressed with Obama at the moment. The peaceful Syria solution (though of course he did propose violent action to begin with so I temper it a bit) and the news that he plans on talking diplomatically with Iran are pretty great and essentially buck a 5 decade trend in both areas.

Well.... They might just be buying their time.
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Obama has no "War Capital" left. At all. And it's pretty obvious. Bush had a ton of it, especially riding 9/11. That doesn't fly these days.

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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

I have to say I'm mildly impressed with Obama at the moment. The peaceful Syria solution (though of course he did propose violent action to begin with so I temper it a bit) and the news that he plans on talking diplomatically with Iran are pretty great and essentially buck a 5 decade trend in both areas.
 
Kudos for the statement Pat, and fair points.
 
It is a small step up from Wubya, who hell or high water was not being deterred ever.
Obama and co were pedal to the metal for war but they caved to the backlash.
 
What's nutty is that is how it's supposed to be! With enough fuss any politician can be held in check. We've gotten used to Wubya who and co who blatantly didn't give a sh*t and no matter how unpopular they were, (Bama has been spared by the media/public opinion).
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I have to say I'm mildly impressed with Obama at the moment. The peaceful Syria solution (though of course he did propose violent action to begin with so I temper it a bit) and the news that he plans on talking diplomatically with Iran are pretty great and essentially buck a 5 decade trend in both areas.
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Originally posted by Earendil Earendil wrote:

Every line in this is genius:



It's great that at these troubling times, we humans still exhibit great humor!Tongue
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