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chopper 
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Since his marks equate to 4.14, why has he given it 5 stars? Surely it should be rounded down to 4?
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The Miracle
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 16:00 |
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^Well, those reviews are quite reasonable. You don't have to actually hear a compilation to review it if you know the tracks... I actually quite agree on what he says.
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 16:05 |
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Maybe... |
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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Easy Livin
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Posted: August 15 2007 at 17:02 |
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I think as a rule you should still hear the compilation. That's the only way you can identify poor sound quality, bad edits, tracks not being included in full etc.
In the case of those DP compilations, they frequently have edited versions of tracks.
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1800iareyay
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Posted: August 18 2007 at 23:53 |
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copeid from reporting thread
Also, can we move the reviews discussion into the report abuse here forum? I think that could cut down on people discussing reviews there. I know I'm guilty of not moving my posts here, cause it took a while to figure out what forum this was in |
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Atkingani
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 00:01 |
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The current policy requires that the reviewer be able to prove that he/she received officially a promo copy to evaluate.
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darkmatter
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 11:18 |
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Oh yes, I remember, it was awful. I'm sure most of those people used leaks to write their reviews. Same for Fear of a Blank Planet, but it was more of a problem for Systematic Chaos since there were over 40 some ratings before its release.  I don't like seeing these early reviews (based on leaks) since it spoils that anticipation somewhat, even if the ratings are high. |
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The Miracle
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Posted: August 19 2007 at 15:53 |
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Perhaps just block reviews for unreleased albums and put a note for authorised reviewers to contact an admin to get their review posted. I'm sure there will be very few of those if any... the rest can wait until the release date, it's bad enough that they downloaded a leak, I see no reason to allow them to promote it.
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Kotro
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Posted: August 27 2007 at 16:20 |
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I agree, I haven't heard the album, but "blehhh" really doesn't tell me anything about it...
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Bigger on the inside.
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markosherrera
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Posted: August 28 2007 at 00:34 |
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And bad ortography
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N Ellingworth
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 04:34 |
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http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=9659
A review from a collab here.  Review by Bryan (Bryan Adair) [Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator] Posted 4:09:51 PM EST, 2/4/2005 
Admittedly, I haven't actually heard this extremely rare release. However, I do know that
it was made availible only to those who subscribed to the Transmission Porcupine Tree
information service. The one track included is the full improvisation which was cut down to
create "Moonloop" on The Sky Moves Sideways. Obviously, this is the kind of release that
only serious collectors need bother with, and considering how it's nearly impossible to track
a copy down, all I can say is good luck. |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 11:19 |
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A review from a collab here.
 Review by Bryan (Bryan Adair) [Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator] Posted 4:09:51 PM EST, 2/4/2005  Admittedly, I haven't actually heard this extremely rare release. However, I do know that it was made availible only to those who subscribed to the Transmission Porcupine Tree information service. The one track included is the full improvisation which was cut down to create "Moonloop" on The Sky Moves Sideways. Obviously, this is the kind of release that only serious collectors need bother with, and considering how it's nearly impossible to track a copy down, all I can say is good luck.----------------------------------------------- I think that's one of those rare cases where although the reviewer has not heard the album, his review is valid and helpful.
Perhaps some discussion in the "Reviews discussion" thread about whether you agree?
As an aside, remember that he may not have been a collaborator when he wrote the review.
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N Ellingworth
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 15:32 |
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Good point but I don't think that an album should be reviewed when the reviewer hasn't heard it, however I agree with the comments about it being for collectors only (I'm having to import a copy from the US) but I've always thought that music reviews should be about the music.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 17:10 |
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I agree, despite I have the most of respect for Bryan and his work in PA, you can't review an album with second hand informatiion only.
A rating includes composition and performance, How can you rate if the performance is brilliant or not if you haven't actually heard the album?
Givinng ttwo stars is saying that the album is belñlow the average, and the reviewer doesn't know that.
HT, Bob, James and I have received complete information about artists and albums, sometimes directly from the author who also provided reviews from reliable sources, but we wait until we have heard the album before reviewing it.
Now this is a prove of Bryan's honesty, he could avoid problems not saying he hadn't heard the album but he did it so he never tried to fool anybody, I trust with my eyes blindfolded in what Bryan says, but this could be an example for people who won't be as reliable and worthy of trust as Bryan......So I believe the review and rating must go.
Iván
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The T
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Posted: September 03 2007 at 21:18 |
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This could be a good chance to show how great PA is... As much as I agree with everything that has been said about the excellent collaborator in question, the review HAS to be deleted....
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Bryan
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Posted: September 04 2007 at 05:30 |
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Hahaha, that was from several years ago when Max had made a master list of all the albums on the site without reviews. I saw a couple of other reviews along the lines of that one for extremely rare unreviewed releases and at the time decided it was worthwhile at least for information's sake. Feel free to nuke it now.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: September 04 2007 at 05:58 |
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Hey, Bryan! How are you doing?
 Nice to drop by!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
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Raff
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Posted: September 05 2007 at 11:05 |
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I have to agree with Teo here. Bryan's review is excellent indeed, and his honesty is commendable... the thing is, it's not REALLY a review, but rather a commentary on the release's contents. A review, to be such, depends on having actively listened to the album in question - otherwise, everybody could review anything on the basis of having read a press release or another review. Just my 2 eurocents, of course....
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Easy Livin
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Posted: September 05 2007 at 15:51 |
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To be fair to Bryan, for well over a year his was the only review posted of the album in question. In view of the fact that others have now been added, and that Bryan has dropped by to graciously confirm that he is fine with the review being removed, I have now done so.
Best wishes Bryan!!
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 07 2007 at 17:23 |
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A bit of a double standard, no?
 By the way I really like Marc's review review a lot and don't want it changed... I think that sometimes a little blunt expression isn't necessarily a bad thing It's pretty clever and appropriate in some cases... |
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