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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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But it has been said he's world wide influential. That's not accurate
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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I live here and love this country but all that's said outside about Americans believing they're the entire world is kind of true.
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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Nueva Trova http://journal.oraltradition.org/files/articles/22i/Rollason.pdf
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Ivan_Melgar_M ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19557 |
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Nueva Trova is a very small movement mostly popular in Cuba and left oriented university students. Silvio Rodriguez (The most notable representative of "La Nueva Trova" said: "I don't know how much Dylan influenced in me" http://www.martinoticias.com/a/bob-dylan-gana-premio-nobel-literatura/131592.html On the other hand he recognizes Woody Guthrie BY the way they talk about 5,000 souls concert in Argentina...That's nothing Well, Argentina is famous for their concerts. (Two consecutive days in River Plate Stadium) And we are talking about 70,000 to 150.000 souls And this is still only a small part of the population Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 15 2016 at 11:54 |
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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You win, lets strip him of the prize.......over and out
http://journal.oraltradition.org/files/articles/22i/Rollason.pdf
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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I don't know if it's fully relevant, but: http://journal.oraltradition.org/files/articles/22i/Rollason.pdf By the way, in France, Bob Dylan HAD some influence: singer Hugues Aufray always paid tribute to him (not to talk about the success of some songs such as "Like A Rolling Stone" or "Lay, Lady, Lay" that are still played on some radios). |
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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Americans are definitely very often incredibly americentric.
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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So lets shift gears here instead of talking about Dylan lets talk about how wonderful you are.
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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Of course, the Nobel Prize of Literature for a singer is somewhat farfetched, but the comments of Ivan about the lack of influence of Dylan outside America are also a bit surprising.
But it doesn't mean that I endorse what The Dark Elf is saying. After all, Zappa was more influential than Dylan. |
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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I'm a fan of Shakespeare and try to read his books in the original language..A work is meaningful fopr me because of it's artistic value not for the language it's written in I can do red ink too The best argument for Dylan's Nobel Prize comes from Ralph Waldo Emerson, even though he died a century before Shot of Love. His 1850 essay "Shakespeare; or the Poet," from the book Representative Men, works as a cheat sheet to Dylan. For Emerson, Shakespeare's greatness was to exploit the freedoms of a disreputable format, the theater: "Shakespeare, in common with his comrades, esteemed the mass of old plays, waste stock, in which any experiment could be freely tried. Had the prestige which hedges about a modern tragedy existed, nothing could have been done. The rude warm blood of the living England circulated in the play, as in street-ballads." This is a key point – Shakespeare was a writer/actor/manager hustling in the commercial theater racket for live crowds. He didn't publish his plays – didn't even keep written copies. Once it was onstage, he was on to the next one. (After his death, his friends had to cobble the First Folio together, mostly from working scripts, hence the deplorable state of his texts.) Low prestige meant constant forward motion. The theater was becoming a national passion, "but not a whit less considerable, because it was cheap." He aimed his poetry at the groundlings: "It must even go into the world's history, that the best poet led an obscure and profane life, using his genius for the public amusement." |
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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^ture
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timothy leary ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
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But Bob Dylan did.
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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In ten years the Nobel in Literature will be given to Eminem. In 20 to a reggaeton performer.
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CPicard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 03 2008 Location: Là, sui monti. Status: Offline Points: 10841 |
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What? A white "rapper" before any black rapper?! This is silly! |
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The T ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
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^You're right. But after Dylan's win I can expect anything.
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Barbu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: October 09 2005 Location: infinity Status: Offline Points: 30855 |
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and lol.
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A Person ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 10 2008 Location: __ Status: Offline Points: 65760 |
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>rapper winning the nobel prize for lit
>not DOOM |
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micky ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46843 |
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hahaha.... god I love that man....
no opinion.. could care less.. about him.. or the award... this is as close as I love getting to Dylan.. but if any song writer deserves it (ummm like 40 years ago haha) he did. Why now? Perhaps there wasn't really any competition.. consider it a lifetime achievement Nobel award hahah |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Quinino ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 26 2011 Location: Portugal Status: Offline Points: 3654 |
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I fully support any prize being given to a true artist of any kind, and Bob Dylan certainly is a reference on his area (horrendous singer but great lyricist and composer).
Now, boys, behave yourselves ! Edited by Quinino - October 15 2016 at 16:43 |
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