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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 11:27
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition. Nobody mentioned Latin America.


But it has been said he's world wide influential.

That's not accurate


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 11:31
I live here and love this country but all that's said outside about Americans believing they're the entire world is kind of true.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 11:33
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition. Nobody mentioned Latin America.


But it has been said he's world wide influential.

That's not accurate

Nueva Trova

http://journal.oraltradition.org/files/articles/22i/Rollason.pdf


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 11:52
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

for having created new poetic expressions within the great American song tradition. Nobody mentioned Latin America.


But it has been said he's world wide influential.

That's not accurate

Nueva Trova

http://journal.oraltradition.org/files/articles/22i/Rollason.pdf

Nueva Trova is a very small movement mostly popular in Cuba and left oriented university students.

Silvio Rodriguez (The most notable representative of "La Nueva Trova" said:

"I don't know how much Dylan influenced in me" 

http://www.martinoticias.com/a/bob-dylan-gana-premio-nobel-literatura/131592.html

On the other hand he recognizes Woody Guthrie

BY the way they talk about 5,000 souls concert in Argentina...That's nothing

Well, Argentina is famous for their concerts.



(Two consecutive days in River Plate Stadium)


And we are talking about 70,000 to 150.000 souls

And this is still only a small part of the population



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 11:58
You win, lets strip him of the prize.......over and out

http://journal.oraltradition.org/files/articles/22i/Rollason.pdf
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 11:59
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:


Outside USA, Dylan wasn't influential at all.

Who in Latin America or Spain cares for USA folk?


I don't know if it's fully relevant, but:
http://journal.oraltradition.org/files/articles/22i/Rollason.pdf

By the way, in France, Bob Dylan HAD some influence: singer Hugues Aufray always paid tribute to him (not to talk about the success of some songs such as "Like A Rolling Stone" or "Lay, Lady, Lay" that are still played on some radios).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 12:24
Americans are definitely very often incredibly americentric.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 12:34
So lets shift gears here instead of talking about Dylan lets talk about how wonderful you are. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 12:49
Of course, the Nobel Prize of Literature for a singer is somewhat farfetched, but the comments of Ivan about the lack of influence of Dylan outside America are also a bit surprising.
But it doesn't mean that I endorse what The Dark Elf is saying.

After all, Zappa was more influential than Dylan.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 13:15
I'm a fan of Shakespeare and try to read his books in the original language..A work is meaningful fopr me because of it's artistic value not for the language it's written in


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The best argument for Dylan's Nobel Prize comes from Ralph Waldo Emerson, even though he died a century before Shot of Love. His 1850 essay "Shakespeare; or the Poet," from the book Representative Men, works as a cheat sheet to Dylan. For Emerson, Shakespeare's greatness was to exploit the freedoms of a disreputable format, the theater: "Shakespeare, in common with his comrades, esteemed the mass of old plays, waste stock, in which any experiment could be freely tried. Had the prestige which hedges about a modern tragedy existed, nothing could have been done. The rude warm blood of the living England circulated in the play, as in street-ballads."

This is a key point – Shakespeare was a writer/actor/manager hustling in the commercial theater racket for live crowds. He didn't publish his plays – didn't even keep written copies. Once it was onstage, he was on to the next one. (After his death, his friends had to cobble the First Folio together, mostly from working scripts, hence the deplorable state of his texts.) Low prestige meant constant forward motion. The theater was becoming a national passion, "but not a whit less considerable, because it was cheap." He aimed his poetry at the groundlings: "It must even go into the world's history, that the best poet led an obscure and profane life, using his genius for the public amusement."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 13:28
  1. Shakespeare
  2. never won a
  3. Nobel peace
  4. prize though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 13:31
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 13:31
But Bob Dylan did.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 13:33
In ten years the Nobel in Literature will be given to Eminem. In 20 to a reggaeton performer.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 13:35
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

In ten years the Nobel in Literature will be given to Eminem. In 20 to a reggaeton performer.


What? A white "rapper" before any black rapper?! This is silly!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 13:43
^You're right. But after Dylan's win I can expect anything.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 13:58
and lol.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 14:26
>rapper winning the nobel prize for lit
>not DOOM
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 15:43
hahaha....  god I love that man....

no opinion.. could care less.. about him.. or the award...

this is as close as I love getting to Dylan..



but if any song writer deserves it (ummm like 40 years ago haha) he did.

Why now? Perhaps there wasn't really any competition..  consider it a lifetime achievement Nobel award hahah
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 15 2016 at 15:48
I fully support any prize being given to a true artist of any kind, and Bob Dylan certainly is a reference on his area (horrendous singer but great lyricist and composer).
Art internet makes our lives more interesting, don't you agree ? (edit: thku micky)

Now, boys, behave yourselves !


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