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Family's "Music in a Doll's House" (1968) is the first fully fledged progressive rock album ever released.
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Originally posted by Lumenko Lumenko wrote:

Family's "Music in a Doll's House" (1968) is the first fully fledged progressive rock album ever released.


Close to it. As much as I like it there are no long instrumental sections, no long songs, no complexity and not much in the way of time changes (except on three x time). If those things I mentioned don't matter then I would say maybe DOFP is. 


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About Pink Floyd's Animals:

Pigs (Three Different Ones) is better than Dogs

and Sheep is not that good of a song
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

About Pink Floyd's Animals:

Pigs (Three Different Ones) is better than Dogs

and Sheep is not that good of a song
What's wrong with Sheep?! Confused
Pigs is my least favorite of the three, and Sheep is superb. 
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

About Pink Floyd's Animals:

Pigs (Three Different Ones) is better than Dogs

and Sheep is not that good of a song
What's wrong with Sheep?! Confused
Pigs is my least favorite of the three, and Sheep is superb. 

Just a bit of a drab in my opinion, lacks that energy of the other two. It has energy, but not that same energy
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

About Pink Floyd's Animals:

Pigs (Three Different Ones) is better than Dogs

and Sheep is not that good of a song
What's wrong with Sheep?! Confused
Pigs is my least favorite of the three, and Sheep is superb. 

Just a bit of a drab in my opinion, lacks that energy of the other two. It has energy, but not that same energy

Strange you say that because Sheep is more energetic than Pigs. Confused
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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:

About Pink Floyd's Animals:

Pigs (Three Different Ones) is better than Dogs

and Sheep is not that good of a song
What's wrong with Sheep?! Confused
Pigs is my least favorite of the three, and Sheep is superb. 

Just a bit of a drab in my opinion, lacks that energy of the other two. It has energy, but not that same energy

Strange you say that because Sheep is more energetic than Pigs. Confused

For me, Pigs perfectly encapsulates the feel of the album and has a killer guitar solo (which is a bonus)
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Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

[QUOTE=Logan]Cool take: Had Christian Vander guested on an album with Peter Hammill and friends, Vander Graaf Generator would have been a cool name.

Perhaps. Maybe I'm biased but I think the spelling of "Van der Graaf Generator" is more appealing than the correct spelling "Van de Graaff Generator".


Adapting the name is more dynamic than static. It's quite electrifying either way.

Incidentally, and apologies for any silliness, were tennis player Steffi Graf to guest with Van der Graaf Generator, they could call that project Steffi Graaf Generator. I think the album title could reference one of my favourite VdGG tunes "White Hammer" by calling itself The White Slammer.

For a comment more appropriate to the spirit I see in this thread: I think that Bubu's Anabalas is a much more accomplished and satisfying three track album than Yes' Close to the Edge.   In fact, although I like title track very much, I'm not that keen on the album Close to the Edge and would give it three stars.
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Six Wives Of Henry VIII is the best instrumental prog album
Supertramp were a full on prog band
Tangerine Dream made better albums after the 70's
Eloy were the best prog band between 1973 and 1982
'Clone bands' is not a thing
Alternative music is not prog
King Crimson didn't invent prog rock


No, King Crimson didn't invent prog because no one band or artist did. 
It's only a clone band if a band sets out to try to sound as much as a band as possible. I think Unifaun might be the only band who qualifies in that regard (as a Genesis clone although I never actually heard them).
What was the best decade for TD then? The 80s? 
I won't comment on the others. 

Re TD I would say the 80's (up to 1986) but then there are some great albums released in the 00's as well.

We agree re KC then!
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Let's see...

More is one of my favorite Pink Floyd albums.
Awake is my favorite Dream Theater album. 
Genesis - ATTW3 is a great album, a favorite of mine.
Going for the One is an overrated mess of an album. 
I enjoy Fates Warning more than Dream Theater these days. 
David Gilmour's second album About Face is underappreciated, deserves better. 
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Cristi, if you think GFTO is a messy album then what do you think of Tormato? Even messier? ;)
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This is probably the boldest hot take I've ever seen on this forum!
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Cristi, if you think GFTO is a messy album then what do you think of Tormato? Even messier? ;)

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Of the classic ELP albums (those first 5) Trilogy is the worst
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If prog was a nut it would be Walnut.
If prog was a color it would be Purple.
If prog was a fish it would be Halibut.
If prog was a beer it would be a Double IPA.
If prog was a vegetable it would be Brussel Sprouts.
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

'The Final Cut is a better album than 'The Wall'.


better how? 


At least it's shorter



For some bizarre reason I've always found it a more satisfying listen and less rambling than The Wall.
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Frank Zappa is the greatest progressive genius to hit rock music.

The Lamb is Genesis’ best album.

The Strawberry Alarm Clock was as progressive a band as there was in their time.

Steve Hackett has been history’s most consistently high quality representative/proponent of progressive rock music.

Mother Focus is a great Focus album.

Novella is my favorite Renaissance album.

Storia di un minuto is not as good as people make it out to be.

Magma are even more impressive live/in concert.

Wobbler is a retro prog band.

Prog rock of the 21st Century may not be as innovative or “fresh” as musics of the “classic era” (1970s) but I think it is better than that of the 1970s.

Miles Davis was never a progressive rock artist, his genius was that he surrounded himself with younger, more experimental/cutting edge artists who had more rock proclivities/tendencies/interests.
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Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Progishness Progishness wrote:

'The Final Cut is a better album than 'The Wall'.


better how? 


At least it's shorter



For some bizarre reason I've always found it a more satisfying listen and less rambling than The Wall.

As a love of The Wall and hater of the Final Cut, define 'Less Rambling' 
Granted, The Wall is by no means perfect. Stuff like 'Vera' and 'Bring the Boys Back Home' could've easily been trimmed. 
The Wheel of Time Turns, and Ages come and pass. What was, what will be, and what is, may yet fall under the shadow.

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The Big 6 of Prog should be:

1) Yes
2) Genesis
3) Pink Floyd
4) ELP
5) Rush
6) Kansas

They are the best known Prog bands by the general public that listens to classic rock, who all had success releasing actual Prog albums that went on to be certified either Gold, Platinum or Multi-Platinum while headlining tours and filling arenas.

King Crimson was ground breaking, but they did not come close to the above bands success. Tull had the success but, I don't think was as Proggy as the above bands.

That's my hot take.
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Originally posted by Frets N Worries Frets N Worries wrote:


As a love of The Wall and hater of the Final Cut, define 'Less Rambling' 
Granted, The Wall is by no means perfect. Stuff like 'Vera' and 'Bring the Boys Back Home' could've easily been trimmed. 

Maybe, but the highs on The Wall are better than the highs on TFC. Smile
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