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Posted: March 01 2010 at 16:47 |
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You know, Greg, the difference between me and many other people (not including you, of course) is that I rate an album according on whether I like it or not - nothing else. If it's proggish AOR and I like it, then I rate it highly, even if I am generally not crazy about that particular subgenre (or whatever you want to call it). Most prog fans think Foxtrot is a masterpiece, while I find it boring, and I'd rather listen to 90125 - even if most prog fans find it distasteful. Unfortunately, it seems I've got a mind of my own. |
I do believe that Greg was referring to me as the one with tongue in cheek syndrome, to which he is correct. As I said I like The Whirlwind. It did get honorable mention from me, but it didn't make my top 5. It is one of those albums though, that some people are really going to love, and others are going to say that it is boring retro prog that has all been done before. That is why I said to tread with caution, as it really depends on what your mindset is.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 16:50 |
^ Yes, that's right. I actually think that the most noteworthy albums are commonly polarizing (assuming enough people hear them).
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You know, Greg, the difference between me and many other people (not including you, of course) is that I rate an album according on whether I like it or not - nothing else. If it's proggish AOR and I like it, then I rate it highly, even if I am generally not crazy about that particular subgenre (or whatever you want to call it). Most prog fans think Foxtrot is a masterpiece, while I find it boring, and I'd rather listen to 90125 - even if most prog fans find it distasteful. Unfortunately, it seems I've got a mind of my own.
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I'm not much of a rater, but, ultimately, I would also rate on how much I like something (I might bring in some other considerations that could make a difference of one star). I think sometimes raters follow the crowd over-much and even if they don't think it special they give it a higher rating because of its reputation, and also they might rate down if it's widely held in low regard. The review that explains the rating is more important (though there are some with such similar tastes that I don't need a review -- the rating is enough). I have no wish to review or rate albums I don't like, but I would be extra-careful with giving ones to albums I dislike heartily but I find "professional" (but then I rarely hear an album that would be less than three stars for my tastes, and most would be four or five).
Edited by Logan - March 01 2010 at 16:52
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 16:56 |
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Logan
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 16:58 |
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 16:59 |
Probably, most polarizing too, although PT would give DT a run for its money on the polarizing factor.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:02 |
I find there's something special about those albums that polarize opinion. The forgettable ones include those that are damned by consistent faint praise.
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:05 |
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:06 |
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:09 |
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:12 |
I must be one of the few people whose only one-star reviews here are of albums by some of her favourite bands  ...
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:15 |
I can tell you that every single one of the regular posters in the Shred Room are thrilled that Magma were ranked number 1 and that both DT and PT were not, although apparently there is some disappointment that PT even made number 5.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:15 |
I could be wrong, but my impression is that PT does not get the intensity of "hate" spewn at it as "DT" (ergo, I do rather think DT is the greater band). Some people resent PT's popularity, and some find it bland, but I don't think as many people really love or loathe the music. Me, I'm fine with both bands -- neither cause a hate or love reaction. Of course there's the bandwagon effect at play. And then you do have those who like PT and DT who dislike the recent albums.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:18 |
Though I am not a PT fan, I vastly prefer them to DT, and that's no secret. However, I don't enjoy bashing either of them, or indulging in competitive behaviour such as the one Scott reported. This is not the Olympics, the World Football Cup, or anything of the sort - it's a music appreciation site, and I get the impression that some people are losing sight of the music itself.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:20 |
Of course some people are just sick of seeing PT in the top list (since it won this contest on what, three consecutive albums?)
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:20 |
Logan wrote:
And then you do have those who like PT and DT who dislike the recent albums. |
There is a lot of truth to that. DT probably gets more hate because those that did like them stopped liking them after Moore left; whereas with PT, the fans seem only to have been turned off since Deadwing, although some were with In Absentia, and some waited until Blank Planet.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:20 |
rushfan4 wrote:
I can tell you that every single one of the regular posters in the Shred Room are thrilled that Magma were ranked number 1 and that both DT and PT were not, although apparently there is some disappointment that PT even made number 5. |
I'm happy that Magma got number 1, yeah, but I wouldn't care too much if DT or PT got it either. It's all a matter of opinion. Just because I don't rate those bands as highly as I do Magma doesn't mean that I have it out for them, just like I'm sure you don't particularly have it out for Magma.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:26 |
rushfan4 wrote:
Logan wrote:
And then you do have those who like PT and DT who dislike the recent albums. |
There is a lot of truth to that. DT probably gets more hate because those that did like them stopped liking them after Moore left; whereas with DT, the fans seem only to have been turned off since Deadwing, although some were with In Absentia, and some waited until Blank Planet. |
Oh, don't forget about the new metal, metalcore and death metal influence that Portnoy is shoving down our throats. Nothing against any of those genres in particular (except new metal, which is by default, the worst music genre ever), as long as the music is well done. However, Portnoy keeps delivering half baked song parts influences by those genres in DT's music. And now he is recording with Avenged Sevenfold! No wonder the band's audience is becoming more polarized.
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Posted: March 01 2010 at 17:28 |
SaltyJon wrote:
rushfan4 wrote:
I can tell you that every single one of the regular posters in the Shred Room are thrilled that Magma were ranked number 1 and that both DT and PT were not, although apparently there is some disappointment that PT even made number 5. |
I'm happy that Magma got number 1, yeah, but I wouldn't care too much if DT or PT got it either. It's all a matter of opinion. Just because I don't rate those bands as highly as I do Magma doesn't mean that I have it out for them, just like I'm sure you don't particularly have it out for Magma.
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Translation: Magma iss de hundin! Wurdah DT! Wurdah PT! ;)
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Watching while most appreciating a sunset in the moment need not diminish all the glorious sunsets I have observed before. It can be much like that with music for me.
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