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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 05 2006 at 10:26
Nope, I started listening a few years ago as a non-musician.

Prog convinced me to become a musician. So it works both ways.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 11 2006 at 23:38
I love prog and my husband both musicians. 
 
We have offered our kids to listen and our son is non musician and likes a lot of Prog as well.
 
I dont think you have to be a musician.  You have to feel the music being played and allow it to come inside, touch your soul if you will.
 
I know corny but how I see/feel it. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 02:25

I think its a valid question. I have a huge respect for people like you who dont play instruments but still can appreciate and analyze awesome stuff like prog. Its just the simple fact that most people you show prog to will be like "ya its talented but its too weird and complex and you cant dance to it. I only think people that obsess over the notes could like it"

Theres not enough musicians to sell music to, the general public would be nice.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2006 at 18:20
I play the piano, trumpet, and am starting with guitar, so I find prog more fascinating than most of my friends. However, my father can't play anyhting but he turned me on to the more experimental proggies like Zappa, King Crimson, and Genesis while I was still listening to more mainstream groups like Yes, Rush, and Pink Floyd, so the idea that non-musicians don't appreciate prog is untrue since my dad listens to the weirdest of them all. I do however think that many non-musicians don't apprecaite drum and bass work, they just listen to Gilmour or Lifeson. Being a musician gives you a better understanding of odd time sigs and experimentation. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2007 at 18:33
Prog-rock isn't exclusive for musicians, but maybe the guys who aren't musician can't understand the prog-rock in all his dimensions
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2007 at 20:27
I've never learned to play an instrument past some simple piano when I was a child.
I, however enjoy prog music. I find it very hard to get my friends into it, I agree, but I love it. What especially draws me into it is the mixture of genres and influences in the music I listen to, most bands create something totally new!

I would never have wanted to things like Opeth before discovering prog, and I listen to everything from them to Dream Theater to The Flower Kings...heh. I love the epics, I can't tell you how many times I've listened to the nearly 42 minute Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, or even Dante's Inferno from Iced Earth.

I don't quite understand the complexities such as time signatures myself, but I've developed a strong passion from music that's enabled me to separate the masterpieces of prog from the crap shown on MTV.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2007 at 21:26
Originally posted by GHOSTNOTE GHOSTNOTE wrote:

      I am a drummer, who has loved progressive rock for many years and i have noticed
that myself and other musicians i haved jammed with over the years can relate with this
style of music, but people who do not play a musical instrument do not.
     So ultimitly is prog rock for musicians only?


I have wondered the same thing for a long time. I am not a musician,  and while I love prog,  I can turn on the radio and listen to something if it's soft. But my friend can't stand anything on the radio,  it makes him sick.  

I am about to start guitar theory lessons and am excited to find if it "unlocks" a new level of prog for me.

I think the short answer is yes,  if you don't understand music,  anything really suits your needs.  But as you become more educated in music, begin to understand the complexities, prog begins to affect you more than main stream.   So, I think that while prog isn't exclusive to musicians,  I think if you really understand music, that a new level of prog will be opened to you, and you will be able to appreciate it more.

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

 
So I'll say 90% prog-lovers are musicians....I know others that aren't but at least they love art....they love literature, they love good cinema...THEY LOVE THEIR BRAIN TO BE CHALLENGED AND PLAYED WITH.... 


This man speaks the truth.


PS,  this is an EXCELLENT topic.. This is something I have really pondered for a long time.  Thank you.



Edited by giantenemycrab - February 27 2007 at 21:33
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2007 at 21:46
Well, I'm a musician only in that I can read basic music and play piano not-very-well after taking lessons as a child.  But it is true that even my bad piano playing makes me appreciate the work of a good prog keyboardist more than I might otherwise, and that the fact that I know almost nothing about the bass makes it impossible for me to participate in the sort of detailed discussions about bass lines that can be found on this forum.

There certainly is a level of appreciation for music that one has only if one is a musician, but I think this is true with anything about which one can have varying levels knowledge.  I don't see all the subtleties and references in the primary source documents about World War I that I read for class today that my professor, a scholar of 20th-century Europe, can find in them, but I can still think the material is interesting.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 27 2007 at 21:49
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

I agree... off course you can like Prog if you're not a musician, but you'll miss one of its best elements: the musicianship, the possibility of analyzing structures, keys, harmonies, drum playing, etc, and get amazed (or dissapointed) by what you hear.
 
Non-musicians tend to like their music just for entertainment sake, just as something better than silence for moments like eating, working, etc...or they want music with a purpose, namely music that helps them dance..... they just won't sit down througha 20+minute epic.... what fun will it be to them? for them, short, 3-4 minute pieces are more than enough...surely they can love some aspects of prog, too, but they won't appreciate them in their whole magnitude as a musician can.
 
So I'll say 90% prog-lovers are musicians....I know others that aren't but at least they love art....they love literature, they love good cinema...THEY LOVE THEIR BRAIN TO BE CHALLENGED AND PLAYED WITH....
 
 


I have to disagree. If you've ever read about certain metropolitan 'Intelligentsia" (I may have mispelt that, proof of my level of intelligence), you get to notice that they love art, literature, good cinema; but it always seems to be something only "they" "get. In other words, if there is a whiff of popularity, of the "hoi polloi" enjoying it, "they'll" quickly dismiss as being cloying, simplistic, beneath them  etcccccc.
I would say 90% of prog lovers are music lovers. The remaining 10% are likely w**kers who believe that it somehow makes them better than others.
To quote a Zakk Wylde loving metal fan buddy of mine - if you really want to "objectively" settle the question of what or who is best, you go by numbers. His example - "I hate Britney Spears, but she's outsold System of a Down, so there". Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 12:20
No. My brother and a good friend got me into prog and they're not musicians, but they can go pretty deep into music. That was my first reaction. But than I began to think: I play the flute (even it's been ages since I actually played it) and I sing in a choir. So... that makes me a musician too? Don't think so, but I do love music. Ever since I was a kid. Can't live without it.
 
I discovered prog some while ago after I quit playing the flute and before I restart to sing in a choir. So even I found music always vey important, prog gave it another dimension to me (hard to explain). I got interest in singing again and now considering picking up some flute lessons again. Prog gave me back my music after a period of silence.
 
So I don't think you have to be a musician to love prog you just need to understand it ... with you heart and soul. It's easier if you are a musician I think. But it's not necessary.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 12:25
Let's remember that musicians have different philosophies and views on what Music is and what it should be.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 12:33
Is prog for musicians only...........h*ll no!!!

I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket..........
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 13:25
I don't have much musical talent, but I like art, literature, especially if it's more challenging than the average.

Edited by Norbert - March 08 2007 at 13:25
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 17:00
The only common thing I find between ALL Die Hard Prog finds is that there More Open Minded then the non die hard Prog Fan
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 17:06
It's not for musicians only: I have a friend who has an enormous prog collection and he doesn't play anything.
 
Still: most of my prog friends are active musicians.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 17:40
Just because you can't bake a cake doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 18:35
Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

Just because you can't bake a cake doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.
 
True, but prog is so much more than a cake. It's haute cuisine Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 20:56
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

Just because you can't bake a cake doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.
 
True, but prog is so much more than a cake. It's haute cuisine Wink
 
LOL - True enough but as some forum members have said  - to be able to appreciate Prog Music does not mean you have to be a musician.  To be able to "feel" the music is important for the listeners over all well-being and appreciation of Prog Music. Being a musician perhaps gives that person a technical edge - knowledge-wise - over the non-musician. The end result is the same - satisfaction and enjoyment of a complex music genre.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 21:09
Originally posted by Moogtron III Moogtron III wrote:

Originally posted by Dr. Occulator Dr. Occulator wrote:

Just because you can't bake a cake doesn't mean you can't enjoy it.

 

True, but prog is so much more than a cake. It's haute cuisine Wink


but the analogy holds-- you don't need to be a chef to have a developed palate and to appreciate quality food.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2007 at 21:21
I  think jazz is harder for more people to get into than prog.. A lot of people like prog.
Jazz.is where it is at.
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