Hating Dream Theater

King of Loss wrote: JMCecil wrote: I have far less hate than Lostrom , but in general I'd have to agree that prog-metal isn't very progish. It's actually very Proggish, some Prog Metal bands are basically Prog Rock bands that play a bit heavier.

..I think we all know that already....The thing you have to realize, I think, is that it is NOT enough to have progressive elements in your music to acctually become prog. That is the hole point. I know that you think that DT is prog playing hard, but I see it the other way around. DT is metal with prog elements, and like I said, it isn't enough!

Dream Teatre don't suck.... they're just pointless. A pointless band , playing pointless stuff, calling it progressive just because it sounds different from the pop music killed by MTV. Progressive rock, a term which I don't usually use (don't like the fact of sticking all those different groups just under one name) , should be a bridge from pop music to jazz and even classical music, expecially for young listeners.It's very educative in a sense.

So, it's got to have at least some elements coming from those 2 ambiences. But I don't mean  that "neoclassical" (whatever....)  80s sh*t: The composers have to undertand and actually LISTEN to different genres. Petrucci for exemple is technically perfect.... but it's just a pointless exercise for finger articulation: it doesn't say anything more than a Malmsteen to me....it doesn't explore REALLY other genres, it just refers to them in a kitschy way........

big special effects of all sorts to catch teens attention, and make them believe to be different from the rest....... poor dudes....

henri_ds wrote: Well, you would be AMAZED by the quantity of music Mike Portnoy (one of the composers) hears. He's into so much various, different stuff, you can't imagine. So this argument is nonsense.

That's very true (and for Petrucci and I think at least one of the keyboard players, I don't know about the others). All of them do listen to a lot of different music, and I'm pretty sure they understand it - Petrucci definitely knows what he's doing. Whether or not that comes through on DT (or anyone else)'s records I can't say - if I'm in a good mood it does, if I'm not it doesn't... but to say they don't understand other forms of music just doesn't ring true.

henri_ds wrote: ahhh....Prog geeks say : DT isn't prog !!! Metal geeks say : DT isn't metal !!! Well, maybe DT is the perfect mix, and therefore you can't really say what it is, OR it's just that music classifications are DUMB and DULL !!!!

Surely if they were the perfect mix prog geeks would say they were prog and metal geeks would say they were metal?

I love sitting on the fence, it means I can snipe at both sides of the argument