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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant & Zeuhl, Neo, Post/Math, PSIKE Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14974 |
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worst in this case = less rated. "Uncivil" is a word too big, I think
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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rushfan4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2007 Location: Michigan, U.S. Status: Offline Points: 66827 |
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It is only 7 letters, although I suppose it was the biggest word in your post.
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant & Zeuhl, Neo, Post/Math, PSIKE Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14974 |
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That's because English is a synthetic language. The same word in my home language is 8 letters long ![]() |
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Jörgemeister ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 10 2008 Location: Nauticus Status: Offline Points: 2296 |
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12 in spanish
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The-time-is-now ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: November 05 2008 Location: Belgium Status: Offline Points: 2060 |
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The Final Cut !
![]() I do not consider Big Generator to be so worse (ok, it's not a peak), nor ThrakkaKAKTZKFKZEELRGK (you see ?). |
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Of course there´s should be some reason The Final Cut is in list; it's a complete losing time album.
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pied piper ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 19 2010 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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With no doubt, The Final Cut!
I think it's an awful album. Italian reviews billed it as real garbage. I said "awful"? Even worse, I think. Rubbish. But I fully disagree with the Jethro Tull's Dot Com and with Genesis' Abacab. Of course they are not masterpieces but have their good moments; but - most important - they are NOT Jethro's and Genesis' worst things ever. Surely Tull's Under Wraps is a collection of useless and ugliest songs (but 3 and a half) ever, while Invisible Touch is, without any doubt, Genesis' worst album ever. But, strange indeed, their most successful album... I agree with Camel (CAMEL?!? Andy LAtimer, you mean!)'s Single Factor... really poor. Camera Camera by Renaissance is not so bad... there are at least three songs that are good indeed, even if poppy arranged, But the structure is good. Subsequent Time line is really worst!
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant & Zeuhl, Neo, Post/Math, PSIKE Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14974 |
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The Final Cut is so controversial that I've started a separate poll about it. About Renaissance, I didn't survive to Camera Camera so I've been so lucky to have saved my money with Time Line. As I stated at the beginning, the list is based on albums that I own. Of course there cen be something worse, but I can't purchase all the garbage released in the last 30 years
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant & Zeuhl, Neo, Post/Math, PSIKE Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14974 |
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Italian reviews ?Journalists used to call "Rock" everything has an electric guitar sound e.g. Marco Masini?. However I don't remember anybody calling TFC "garbage" in 1983.
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pied piper ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 19 2010 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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OK, Marco Masini is REAL rubbish, there's no doubt about it.
![]() But... yes, italian reviewers called Final Cut "garbage". Anyway, in that age all the "old prog rockers" were considered "dinosaurs" and really all the survivors were billed as "extincted and to delete the sooner", and the "only music worth listening was stuff like Soft Cell's or Depeche Mode's". I remember when Yes reformed... OMG, they were fooled and treated like the worst killer! but the huge success of Owner of a lonely heart shutted up reviewers' mouth. Back to Floyd and considering the (particularly awful in musical tastes) period, it was said that "if you're given Final Cut as change in supermarkets, you have to protest!". Do you think that this is a good review?
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant & Zeuhl, Neo, Post/Math, PSIKE Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14974 |
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Masini was just to mention one rubbish and probably not the worst at all... I agree about the period, and given it TFC was probably one of the best things released in that period.
I prefer things like Misplaced Childhood and 90125, but finding another good album from 83-84 is really hard. Specifically to TFC, I'm used to give importance to the lyrics when they are present. Surely they matter in any concept album. However, please move the discussion about TFC to http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=72890 even if I guess I know how you will vote
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Personally I don't think Abacab is a bad album. Maybe not to everybody's taste, but there are no bad songs on the album. It's not one of my favourite albums, but that's something else.
Big Generator has some good songs, and some weaker songs, but I wouldn't call it a bad album.
Single Factor: a bit too poppy to my taste, except for a few great songs like "Heart's Desire" / "End Peace", but once again, not a bad album.
Haven't heard the other albums.
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant & Zeuhl, Neo, Post/Math, PSIKE Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14974 |
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The meaning is "worst by band", not "bad at all". I love The Final Cut but it's considered the worst PF album so it's in the list.
Personally I consider The Single Factor a poor album, but I still listen to it sometimes.
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i wouldnt crap on Final Cut!
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octopus-4 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() RIO/Avant & Zeuhl, Neo, Post/Math, PSIKE Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 14974 |
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neither me, but somebody does...
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AtomicCrimsonRush ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 02 2008 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 14258 |
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^^^ true, theres always someone who loves an album even Love Beach. You cant helpo that altho the majority would not like this or Final Cut as they are bad choices from good bands sold into churning out an album to appease a label or their own inflated egos such as Waters.
St Anger should be on that list too
Dot Com should not be there nor should Big Generator
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St Anger is not here because I don't consider Metallica so important to be in this list of bands, otherwise GTR could have been a good candidate. I can think to a lot of things worse than the albums in the list. Also Love Beach is better than GTR imo.
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GTR
Goats Tripping Ridiculously?
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pied piper ![]() Forum Groupie ![]() ![]() Joined: May 19 2010 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 94 |
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"There are no bad songs"?!? ![]() OMG!!! Maybe you don't know that Who Dunnit has been billed by 100% of critics and Genesis' fans as the worst Genesis' song ever... and in fact it is. On the other way, luckily Dodo is an excellent composition, as much as Me & Sarah Jane, two very beautiful songs. Edited by pied piper - November 09 2010 at 08:19 |
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