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Points: 19616 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2006 at 21:52

Hardly anything is "progressive" nowadays, short of leaving these shores and devoting ourselves to the study of avant musical ventures. Posters ought to specify when they use prog or progressive whether they mean music that is genuinely progressive, or music that is prog(ressive) by style, i.e. symph-prog, goth-prog, prog-metal, etc. That's what those are, familiar subgenres. For example, what's progressive about so-called prog-metal or it's cousin, the affectionately-dubbed "technical metal"? A true oxymoron? "Progressive death metal." There is no such thing. Consider Rick Wakeman, who happens to be a Christian; if he records an album of instrumental themes (yes, devoid of lyrics) and chooses to, say, title them after certain events or places in the Biblical chronology, one could well say the end result is an "instrumental Christian symph-prog" album. When you consider Neal Morse, Glass Hammer, Kerry Livgren, etc., have recorded music inspired by their faith, there is little question whether they've done so in a very familiar textural rock style–so there's really nothing to bicker about. What's commonly regarded as prog nowadays isn't really progressive, per se, but the result of labels being tossed about liberally for purposes of classification.  
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Points: 416 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 02 2006 at 08:28
Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Originally posted by TheLamb TheLamb wrote:

Originally posted by Manunkind Manunkind wrote:

Now I produced a smart-a** remark about Christians above and I do apologise for any malice on my part. However, I will not retract its critical content, since I believe it to bear good fruit, if it isunderstood properly. And one can say the very same thing about members of every religion/worldview, so it's not like arrogance is only a Christian problem.

Sure, everyone is entitled to expressing their beliefs through lyrics, of course. However, preaching is essentially hierarchical and so IMO often (not always) includes an element of arrogance and maybe even aggression. At worst, it's almost like a power-drunk monologue. This is why I don't like most of it and see little need for it. Still, as I've implied above, Christians are hardly the only ones that preach. Aggressive atheism bothers me just as much as aggressive theism does. 

I'm listening to John Coltrane's 'Mars' right now, and this definitely is a religious piece... without any lyrics. I love it and find it deeply spiritual; without a doubt more so than any overtly religious lyrics. Music seems to succeed where words fail. Music is a dialogue, not a monlogue, it sets the listener on equal terms with the speaker.

 

Hope that didn't come accross as too preachy.

youre smart

 

I know I am

Seriously now; if you've got any problem with my words, PM me and let's keep it off the main page.

I have no problem with your words... I said youre smart, you impress me with your ability to phrase sentences this well... Seriously, it's almost like poetry, lol... and I agree with what you said.... How the hell did you get the idea that I have a problem with your words?!



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