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Glucose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 16 2012 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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Despite i really, really love all of them, I have to vote for ELP. I don't see anything much new or prog about this band. At least in comparsion with the others.
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TheLionOfPrague ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2011 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1091 |
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You don't see anything prog in ELP
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Pastmaster ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 23 2015 Location: Spiderwood Farm Status: Offline Points: 1774 |
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![]() To be honest, I'd rather look at that picture than the real album cover.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20712 |
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Referring to the OP question....overrated in what way ....?
I think most of the better albums by the 'big 6' are rated accurately. Regarding ability....imho Floyd probably has a more average group of musicians than the others. Gilmour is the only one who ever impressed me regarding his mastery of his instrument. None of the other members stand out imho when compared to the musicians in the other bands listed above. I'm sure some Floyd fans will throw some bricks at me so I'm ducking now....... ![]() |
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Glucose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 16 2012 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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DDPascalDD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 06 2015 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 856 |
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Here's a brick!
Indeed, he can't play as quick as the other Rick W., but he's outstanding in a different way:
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Glucose ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 16 2012 Location: Czech Republic Status: Offline Points: 160 |
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I'm a huuuuge Floyd fan, but I have to agree. Gilmour is "the one" of Floyd in many other ways ![]() |
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DDPascalDD ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 06 2015 Location: The Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 856 |
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You underestimate Waters there! He's the great composer of most DSOTM, WYWH and almost all of Animals, The Wall and TFC. Also his solo career wasn't bad, Amused To Death is a jewel!
Well the bass playing is just average, if that is what matters to you...
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12883 |
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Not sure about Waters having such a huge input in songwriting during their golden period (for me, Dark Side, WYWH, and Animals). Dark Side is a very even album as far as songwriting goes. OK, Breath, Money, and Brain Damage/Eclipse are written by Waters, out of which the last couple are my very favourites, while I don't really care much for Money. Time is a group effort, if I remember correctly (and I wouldn't be surprised if Waters input to that song was mostly only the lyrics)... and I guess Any Color you Like is also a group composition (don't really remember so well). And Great Gig and Us And Them are Wright's songs (of course, plust Waters lyrics on the later one). So there it is, without the rest of the band, this album wouldn't have been a shadow of what it is. On WYWH, Shine on You Crazy Diamond is a group composition too, and that's the piece that holds the weight of the album, plus the title song is a Gilmour song (with Waters lyrics). Of course, Waters has Welcome to the Machine and Have a Cigar (the first I love, the second I don't care about). And with Animals, which is often regarded as the album in which Waters began to have too much control over the band... and even though he did write all the songs except for one... well, Dogs was written by Gilmour and Waters, and once again I understand the music was actually Gilmour's, and Waters contribution is the lyrics, so that makes the song that takes almost half the album (and in my opinion the best one) a Gilmour composition. The Wall and The Final Cut are definitley Waters Babies, but even on The Wall the best song was co-written with Gilmour. |
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Pink Floyd is not underrated. It's one of the biggest bands there have ever been. |
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TheLionOfPrague ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 08 2011 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 1091 |
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Yep. Some people think Waters wrote most of the music because they just take a look at the credits, and he appears in almost all songs because of the lyrics. Before The Wall the songwriting was pretty evenly distributed. As you mentioned in Dark Side he wrote Money and Brain Damage/Eclipse. But Breathe is also Gilmour's and Wright's (while everyone contributed for Time). Also, in many Waters songs Gilmour would write the arrangements and improve them considerably. The Wall and The Final Cut are 100% Waters, but in the previous albums Gilmour was the most important member.
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I believe they all get the credit that they deserve
I like KC less than all the others followed very close by Yes but whoever says they don'r deserve the recognition they have, is crazy. Iván |
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Dellinger ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: June 18 2009 Location: Mexico Status: Offline Points: 12883 |
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Yet, once again, a case must be mentioned for Wright. Without him, it just doesn't sound like Pink Floyd. The Endless River, even though his contributions were limited to what was already recorded, proves it... just as his absence from The Final Cut... and in some ways from The Wall too, proves it. |
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uduwudu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2603 |
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No vote. They're all fine with a huge amount of fine albums. Anyway, all "overrating" means is lots of people like 'em while some don't.
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I agree with you there. In a way, Floyd had two (truly) great musicians - Gilmour and Wright, who were also more than decent vocalists. Roger was very much the creative force (ideas man, superb lyric writer), an average (IMO) chug-a-chug bass player and average vocalist. And as for Nick, a great personality, and decent (but not great) drummer, though his almost nonchalant playing style works perfectly in the greater scheme of the Floydian sound.. The aforementioned Wall and Final Cut do indeed suffer from lack (or absence) of Rick, and that is also the problem I have with Animals - even though Rick was there, he had simply run out of inspiration (note that it is the first album on which he doesn't get a composer's credit). However, as a unit when Gilmour, Waters, Wright & Mason were truly cooperating (approximately from the time of Saucerful to WYWH) they were pretty darned good. Edited by Floydoid - December 24 2015 at 07:45 |
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that is the simpleton answer of course... thus explains the stupidity of the votes here. If anything ELP is by FAR the most underrated of a so-called big 6. And there is a very valid discussion to be had about the differences between the first 3 and second 3. Placing Tull, Genesis, and Floyd on the same tier as K.C., Yes, and ELP can naturally be seen as overrating them for the only reason one might is.. people like them more. That is, in my book at least, a textbook case of overrating a group. ELP? Are they popular today? Of course not, but does that mean they were debatably the most infuential and impactful of ALL prog groups back then. So how are they 'overrated' then. Unless one thinks they were like Genesis and were playing dinner clubs and selling albums to family members when others were taking prog rock to the masses and influencing contemporaries and future groups and making prog rock known to those outside the musically, culturally and intellectually elite. |
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uduwudu ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: July 17 2007 Status: Offline Points: 2603 |
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Of course it's a simpleton answer, we are having to lump these six with a populist label and discuss a subjective context without actual discussion parameters.
In a world where the effective life of any pop rock or jazz band is roughly five years (ELP and KC from 69 - 74 or so, same with Yes, Genesis before changes are made the assessment of creativity is based largely on how the older stuff which people are more used to dominates what is new. At the height of their popularity they sold out stadia. Given the somewhat less mainstream aspect of most of their music they achieved miracles. Classical rock in Montreal Stadium, live concept albums all sort of of good stuff. I think the real question is not about the bands and their achievements but the varying level of taste and acceptance of change in the audience. Over rated? No. Once hugely popular yes. Now that popularity has waned in the the wake of their contemporary audience's social change the longevity of credibility fills the void. Over rating? Still want a decent answer as to what this is. A process? A thing? Anything valid at all? Highly rated sure, or perhaps under acknowledged? Possibly the reviews that are so personally fulfilling to the writers are less than desirable in objective terms to readers. Could be all sorts of things, combinations of factors to anyone and everyone. So yes, a simplistic answer; what do you expect? In short as Fripp said the quality of the question determines the quality of the answer. |
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Catcher10 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: December 23 2009 Location: Emerald City Status: Offline Points: 18059 |
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In this list ELP gets the vote....They spent way too much time and effort trying to create something so big and engaging that it seemed to fail upon each release in someway. There are some great songs, but not great albums.
Three talented musicians, just not sure what they were trying to do. Think I will spin BSS right now......
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So...Is now Prog a amtter of masses? I thought Prog was against commercialism. But that's no valid point, they were les popular because they were younger, the important issue is the music. And Genesis was creating great music. |
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