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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 16:20
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

On a lighter note:

BILL MAHER

"When they were vetting her for this job, like three seconds ago, she said, quote, I'm not making this up, "What is it exactly that the VP does every day?" Let me field that for you, Sarah. They start wars, they enrich their friends, they subvert the Constitution, and they shoot people in the face. That's what the vice president does.

John McCain's V.P. pick is the governor of Alaska, an unknown hockey mom named Sarah Palin that no one ever heard of. The only other job she had in politics was the mayor of a small town known as Wasilla, Alaska, and now she has the opportunity to be on a ticket opposite of Barack Obama, the first black man she's ever seen.

I think this is pertinent because McCain has been running this campaign based on "We're at war, it's a dangerous world out there. The Democrats don't get that. I, John McCain, am the only one standing between the bloodthirsty al-Qaidas and you. But if I die, this stewardess can handle it."

Are you kidding me, the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska? Yeah, that's who you want in the White House during a time of crisis. When she got a phone call at 3 in the morning, it was because a moose had gotten in the garbage can.

The McCain people believe that Americans will disregard her inexperience because they will fall in love with her story. She was a runner up in the 1984 Miss Alaska Pageant., which may sound trite, but you try walking in high-heeled snow shoes."


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Why do you think this drivel is on a lighter note? What really puzzles me is why they take Bill Maher so seriously. He's a jester. They listen to him as if he's a prophet. Yesterday I saw him with Wolf Blitzer massaging the same silly crap. Jesters never give a good political advice. It just shows how scared the liberals are if they use this bullsh*t tactics. They should have nominated someone serious instead to avoid the necessity of this lumpen style buffooning
If I recall correctly, Bill Maher is no liberal.  He's a libertarian....and he is a "jester", quite a clever one, but he is and that is why Jim quoted Maher on "a lighter note"  The reason CNN and MSNBC, and FOX court these lampoons is to get viewers, it has nothing to do with liberals resorting to any tactics...Maher is a popular guy.
Just to get viewers? This kind of humor fits the intellectual level of lumpen-proletariat. Moose in a garbage can? It turns normal people off.


I agree with you that Bill Maher is a jester in the same light as George Carlin was. I am not a fan of Maher in the sense that I sit on every word that he says. I used to watch him on ABC before they pulled him and I thought that he could have been more balanced in the way that his panel was chosen. It should have been 2 on 2 instead of 3 on 1.
I don't mind a good political joke, like some of Jon Stewart's. I'm sure Maher can do better than that too. This piece is just idiotic and demeaning
I agree that it wasn't a particularly well-crafted comment...and he can be (IMO) overly harsh on religious folks; borderline intolerant.  But he says some funny things often, especially when he leaves the political arena (eg. his standup routine before he had a show).
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 16:21
EXCELLENT pyramid, btw.Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2008 at 21:54
Sorry IVNORD, I thought it was kinda funny.  And they kind of deserve a bit of flack for picking Ann Coulter for VP. 

But I never realized Bill was "a liberal."  I think he's just got a good BS detector, for both sides of the aisle. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 08:31
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Sorry IVNORD, I thought it was kinda funny.  And they kind of deserve a bit of flack for picking Ann Coulter for VP. 
This is as funny as the Reps ridiculing Obama's working as a community organizer. I've always thought that this kind of plebian humor would not be a great reason to partake in the joys of a hearty guffaw for people who advanced themselves to the intellectual level of Prog Rock appreciation .
 
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:


But I never realized Bill was "a liberal."  I think he's just got a good BS detector, for both sides of the aisle. 
I have no idea if Bill is a liberal and I don't really care. I meant the liberal media. Promoting garbage of this sort is a sign of desperation
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 15:34
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Sorry IVNORD, I thought it was kinda funny.  And they kind of deserve a bit of flack for picking Ann Coulter for VP. 
This is as funny as the Reps ridiculing Obama's working as a community organizer. I've always thought that this kind of plebian humor would not be a great reason to partake in the joys of a hearty guffaw for people who advanced themselves to the intellectual level of Prog Rock appreciation .
Please don't generalize. Now you're judging what should be humorous and what not for prog rock fans. IVnord, following that logic, as prog-rock fans are usually "progressive" and more intellectual, you should also vote for Obama. Check the poll elsewhere on this forum... Of course, Obama is beating the Mummy and by far.... But of course, I wouldn't label people just because of the music they hear, should I? Should you? I actually think Maher's bit was funny, maybe not elegantly-funny, but funny.
 
And I'm happy and proud that people here can still do those kind of jokes. Check other countries, like mine for example.... Americans have been spoiled with freedom for too long, that they don't even appreciate it. (this last bit has no strong relation with your post, is just an addendum).
 
 
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:


But I never realized Bill was "a liberal."  I think he's just got a good BS detector, for both sides of the aisle. 
I have no idea if Bill is a liberal and I don't really care. I meant the liberal media. Promoting garbage of this sort is a sign of desperation
  Maybe.... maybe people prefer that top the grim, boring, ultra-partialized faces of fox-news, whose attempts at hunour ar just.. pathetic. Maher is very liberal. I usually agree with him, even though sometimes he says stupid things, like everybody.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 18:59
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

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Finnforest are you having a period? LOL


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

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Finnforest are you having a period? LOL


Haha, best post I've seen in a while. LOLLOLLOL

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 19:05
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Of course, Obama is beating the Mummy and by far....


Don't call gramps the mummy, show some respect.  "You kids get outta my yard".

And speaking of respect:

http://rejectmccain.com/






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 19:20
I don't understand the whole age bullsh*t that has been running throught the media, as if now the powers on the "left" don't like old people because McCain is one.  I understand that race is a much bigger deal and a more dominant part of a person (e.g. Barack), but it's unfair to me that McCain's age is constantly fair game, whereas Obama's race is off-limits (as it should be...or at least kept in a respectful manner).  It is tasteless to berade someone for simply being old.  I'm all for humor...but the FUNNY kind.  If one must resort to venomous fodder, they're just trying too damn hard. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 19:22
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

I don't understand the whole age bullsh*t that has been running throught the media, as if now the powers on the "left" don't like old people because McCain is one.  I understand that race is a much bigger deal and a more dominant part of a person (e.g. Barack), but it's unfair to me that McCain's age is constantly fair game, whereas Obama's race is off-limits (as it should be...or at least kept in a respectful manner).  It is tasteless to berade someone for simply being old.  I'm all for humor...but the FUNNY kind.  If one must resort to venomous drab, they're just trying too damn hard. 


I agree entirely. Great post. Clap

Unfortunately though, muck throwing is all that most politicians and the media know how to do, it seems.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 20:59
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Sorry IVNORD, I thought it was kinda funny.  And they kind of deserve a bit of flack for picking Ann Coulter for VP. 
This is as funny as the Reps ridiculing Obama's working as a community organizer. I've always thought that this kind of plebian humor would not be a great reason to partake in the joys of a hearty guffaw for people who advanced themselves to the intellectual level of Prog Rock appreciation .
Please don't generalize. Now you're judging what should be humorous and what not for prog rock fans. IVnord, following that logic, as prog-rock fans are usually "progressive" and more intellectual, you should also vote for Obama. Check the poll elsewhere on this forum... Of course, Obama is beating the Mummy and by far.... But of course, I wouldn't label people just because of the music they hear, should I? Should you? I actually think Maher's bit was funny, maybe not elegantly-funny, but funny.
 
And I'm happy and proud that people here can still do those kind of jokes. Check other countries, like mine for example.... Americans have been spoiled with freedom for too long, that they don't even appreciate it. (this last bit has no strong relation with your post, is just an addendum).
 
 
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:


But I never realized Bill was "a liberal."  I think he's just got a good BS detector, for both sides of the aisle. 
I have no idea if Bill is a liberal and I don't really care. I meant the liberal media. Promoting garbage of this sort is a sign of desperation
  Maybe.... maybe people prefer that top the grim, boring, ultra-partialized faces of fox-news, whose attempts at hunour ar just.. pathetic. Maher is very liberal. I usually agree with him, even though sometimes he says stupid things, like everybody.
Hey T, you're right man. I went overboard with my sweeping generalizations. Stressed a bit lately, say stupid things.
 
Finnforest, I apologize for lecturing you in my last post.
 
For the record, I still maintain that the Bill Maher piece is subpar and tasteless.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 21:03
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

IVnord, following that logic, as prog-rock fans are usually "progressive" and more intellectual, you should also vote for Obama.
If we were real progressive and more intellectual, we woudn't vote for either one
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 21:06
Originally posted by MovingPictures07 MovingPictures07 wrote:

Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

I don't understand the whole age bullsh*t that has been running throught the media, as if now the powers on the "left" don't like old people because McCain is one.  I understand that race is a much bigger deal and a more dominant part of a person (e.g. Barack), but it's unfair to me that McCain's age is constantly fair game, whereas Obama's race is off-limits (as it should be...or at least kept in a respectful manner).  It is tasteless to berade someone for simply being old.  I'm all for humor...but the FUNNY kind.  If one must resort to venomous drab, they're just trying too damn hard. 


I agree entirely. Great post. Clap

Unfortunately though, muck throwing is all that most politicians and the media know how to do, it seems.
Agree with both of you
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 22:01
Hey, we now have a race where the individuals can be mocked for their age, sex, ethnicity, and weird hair.  What more could you want?LOL

It is the unholy, uhm, what's the word for a trinity that is four?  In music, of course, it is the dreaded quartet.  Oh yeah, The Four Horsemen and Woman of the Apocalypse.  Just you wait, I feel an electoral college tie coming on.  All Hell will break loose.  The only good thing that might come is the abolishment of that anachronistic institution.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 11 2008 at 23:43
Originally posted by IVNORD IVNORD wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

IVnord, following that logic, as prog-rock fans are usually "progressive" and more intellectual, you should also vote for Obama.
If we were real progressive and more intellectual, we woudn't vote for either one
 
That was a good point... But when you have only two choices....Cry
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2008 at 08:59
Did anyone catch her interview with Gibson? Dude lobbed her softballs sitting on a tee and she still came off like a fool. Middle schoolers could have given better answers. I vehemently disagree with the title of this thread. Sure, both are evil, but Maggie Thatcher was at least intelligent.
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Shouldn't there be a Third Stooge in this picture?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 14 2008 at 03:31

Sarah Palin's Faux Populism

By Jim Hightower, AlterNet. Posted September 11, 2008.


Living in a small town and being able to field dress a moose does not make Palin a populist, no matter how much pundits want to pretend it does.

It was not my intention to be writing about Sarah Palin, since everyone with a laptop, a No. 2 pencil or a red crayon seems to be covering that beat. But then came the pundits:

"She's a populist," gushed Karl Rove on Fox TV. Weird, since this right-wing political slime and corporate whore loathes, demonizes, mocks, fears and tries to destroy real populists.

"Perfect populist pitch," beamed CBS analyst Jeff Greenfield right after Palin's big speech at the GOP fawnfest in St. Paul. In his less infatuated moments, Greenfield surely must realize how ludicrous his comment was, since once, long ago, he co-authored a book that had "populist" in the title, so he has at least had a brush with the authentic people's movement that the term encapsulates.

So they made me do it. Karl, Jeff and other pundits who are rushing to place the gleaming crown of populism atop the head of this shameless corporate servant -- they are the ones who have driven me to write about Palin. Someone has to nail the media establishment for its willing perversion of language, American history and the substance of today's genuine populism.

Palin might be popular, she might be able to field dress a moose, she might live in a small town, she might enjoy delivering "news flashes" to media elites, she might even become vice president -- but none of this makes her a populist. To the contrary, she is to populism what bear is to beer, only not as close.

You want a taste of the real thing? Try this from another woman who hailed from a town (smaller than Wasilla, Alaska) and was renowned for her political oratory:

Wall Street owns the country. It is no longer a government of the people, by the people, and for the people, but a government of Wall Street, by Wall Street and for Wall Street. ... Our laws are the output of a system which clothes rascals in robes and honesty in rags. ...
There are thirty men in the United States whose aggregate wealth is over one and one-half billion dollars. There are half a million looking for work. ... We want money, land and transportation. We want the abolition of the National banks, and we want the power to make loans direct from the government. We want the accursed foreclosure system wiped out. ... We will stand by our homes and stay by our firesides by force if necessary, and will not pay our debts to the loan-shark companies until the Government pays its debts to us.
The people are at bay, let the bloodhounds of money who have dogged us thus far beware.

That, my media friends, is populism. It comes from Mary Ellen Lease, who was speaking to the national convention of the populist party in Topeka, Kan., in 1890. In a time before women could vote, Lease traveled the countryside to rally a grassroots revolt against the corporate predators of her day, urging farmers to "raise less corn and more hell." She didn't need to brag that she was a pit bull in lipstick, because her message, idealism and actions made her an actual force for change.

America has been blessed with populist women ever since, including such honest and insistent voices as Ida Tarbell, Mother Jones, Dorothy Day, Rosa Parks, Rachel Carson, Karen Silkwood, Barbara Jordan, Molly Ivins, Barbara Ehrenreich and Granny D. Measure Sarah Palin against these.

Populism was and is a ground-level, democratic movement with the guts and gumption to go right at the moneyed elites. It is unabashedly class-based, confronting the Rockefellers on behalf of the Littlefellers. To be a populist is to challenge the very structure of corporate power that is running roughshod over workers, consumers, the environment, small farmers, poor people, the middle class -- and America's historic ideals of economic fairness, social justice and equal opportunity for all.

"Populist" is not an empty political buzzword that can be attached to someone like Palin, whose campaigns (lieutenant governor, governor and now Veep) are financed and even run by the lobbyists and executives of Big Oil, Wall Street bankers, drug companies, telecom giants and other entrenched economic interests.

Populists don't support opening our national parks and coastlines to allow the ExxonMobils to take publicly owned oil and sell it to China. Palin does. Populists favor a windfall profits tax on oil companies that are robbing consumers at the pump while milking taxpayers for billions of dollars in subsidies. Palin doesn't. Populists don't hire corporate lobbyists to deliver a boatload of earmarked federal funds, then turn around and claim to be a heroic opponent of earmarks. Palin did. Populists favor shifting more of America's tax burden from the middle class to the superwealthy, while opposing another huge tax giveaway for corporations. Palin doesn't and doesn't.

Another thing populists don't do is sneer at community organizers, as Palin did in her nationally televised coming-out party. Indeed, populists of old were community organizers, as are today's. They work in communities all across our great land, putting in long days at low pay to help empower ordinary folks who are besieged by the avarice and arrogance of Palin's own corporate backers. Since the governor likes to put her fundamental Christianity on political display, she might give some thought to a new bumper sticker that expresses a bit of Biblical populism: "Jesus was a community organizer while Pontius Pilate was governor."

Environmental justice groups, ACORN, living wage campaigns, the Bus Project, clean water efforts, union organizing drives, PIRG, Fighting Bob Fest, Jobs with Justice, Apollo Alliance, United Students Against Sweatshops, the Evangelical Environmental Network, clean election initiatives, stopping mountaintop removal, USAction, community supported agriculture, Campus Progress, local business alliances, Citizens Trade Campaign, Wellstone Action -- these are but a few of those doing terrific community organizing today. They embody the vitality of modern populism, doing the essential grunt-level work of democracy.

What gives Palin any legitimacy to denigrate that? She embraces none of these causes, instead supporting the rich and powerful whom grassroots folks are having to battle. She's a plutocrat, not a populist. Big difference.

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