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topographicbroadways ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5575 |
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The Roland Fantom is fantastic but i find those sorts of high end keyboards a little fiddly and in the end not worth the thousands you can spend on them. If i was to go for a new Moog i'd definitely go out and buy the LittlePhatty it is a fantastic piece of kit that i saw Oliver Wakeman use with Yes and it had an incredible sound that cut through everything like a proper moog should.
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cstack3 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() VIP Member Joined: July 20 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ USA Status: Offline Points: 7493 |
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I agree! Tony Banks made extensive use of the Arp Pro-Soloist, and that sounds very dated (even back then, I didn't care for the sound all that much). He transitioned to the Poly-Moog on "And Then There Were Three," and got a very nice sound of out it. Moog is still in business, see: Generally, I find modern digital synth technology to be less fun than this old stuff! It was great to grab a handful of oscillator & filter controls and wrongle the crap out of these things! The MASTER of all that was, without a doubt, Patrick Moraz during "Relayer"! I saw that tour twice, and my God, he seemed to nearly break the knobs off of that Mini-Moog! Think of the synth solos on "Sound Chaser". I'm not much of a keyboard player, but these days, I'd want a top-notch workstation synth (like the Roland Fantom, see http://www.rolandus.com/products/productdetails.php?ProductId=589) for the Mellotron & Hammond patches, an analog synth with LOTS of knobs, and.....well, throw money!!
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18457 |
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I like saying that none of us are ever complaining about Mozart's Violin Concertos. ... so sorry Petrucci that we have to trash some stuff you do ... it's undeserved! Edited by moshkito - February 11 2011 at 13:46 |
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thellama73 ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 29 2006 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 8368 |
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Does the Hammond Organ sound dated? It doesn't really exist anymore in its original form, and few modern bands incorporate the sound, but I don't think it sounds dated at all. Likewise, I don't think the Moog is dated, although I can agree that at times the ARP and Mellotron can sound dated, not that that's a bad thing.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19233 |
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Ah, yes. The "Doogie Howser" DX Rhodes!
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The Willow Farmer ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: February 04 2011 Location: USA Status: Offline Points: 112 |
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Good music never sounds dated....NEVER. Well, except the good music that does sound dated.
Synths are always cool, except when they don't.
I make alot of sense, unless i make none.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18457 |
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Yeah ... but by the time that you run some of Trilian though one of those Galen-Kruger stacks ... and all of a sudden, you don't know the difference ... damn ... Stanley Clarke never sounded that good!
Technology changes and improves and gets better with time. The main difference, is that the old "analog synths" had sounds, that no other instrument could do ... and that is going to be its legacy and the main reason why the instrument will not go away.
The hard part, though, is that almost all synthesizers sold in music stores are total crap and even in the case here in Vancouver, the guy did not know what "analog" was ... I think he did, but he had no idea that music existed using it, or what it really was! That's how bad he sounded!
I would say that what hurt synths the most in those days, was that they were trying to replace the bass (first -- which led to sequencers according to Tangerine Dream and Roland), and then, almost at the same time, to replace the strings, or add strings to other music, most of which would be considered popular music -- since most popular music could not afford a string section for their work in order to delineate their thoughts and wishes.
But, sooner or later, it will mean that you and I can see Turandot done by synthesizers and get rid of some of the egos that usually plague so many of those operas, and spend more time on the staging and details to take the card board attitudes out, and ... voila ... as good as a rock opera and then some ... and with the synthesizer you will be able to get louder and lower and have a greater flexibility on the presentation of the music in order to accentuate the details better ... which is very difficult to do when you are dealing with 100 stooges!
It goes both ways ... but some purists, and I ain't no weergeen, only those old sounds and the moving of the LFO knobs (for example) make it an instrument ... and yeah ... I agree to an extent ... but let's not get silly and say that other work was not done that is also very good. People like Vangelis, Sakamoto, Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze, were absolutely massive in the development of these instruments ... and you ought to research Edgar Froese's stories about the echo tapes and other adventures! I'm just hoping that he writes them down before he leaves us, because the stories are priceless ... albeit there is a perception that he is not bringing his kittykat side out, and ...
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topographicbroadways ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5575 |
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i would love to take credit for it as a great piece of wit, but i did misspell
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thehallway ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 13 2010 Location: Dorset, England Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
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Is that pun some kind of simultaneous dig at Prog Archives? Or did you mispell? |
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topographicbroadways ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 20 2010 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 5575 |
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theres a free synth patch in Logicpro called "Emerson square" and one of the protools synths has patches like "Moogish lead" "minotaurus". I just love the fact that all these prog references and tools are hiding in plain site
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thehallway ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: April 13 2010 Location: Dorset, England Status: Offline Points: 1433 |
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The Moog legacy continues: even the newest versions of Cubase have synth patches entitled "Lucky Man"....... I agree about monophonic sometimes being useful too..... you can hold down one note and play other ones, meaning the first note will sound in between them (basically making you sound like you can play twice as fast as before!) Some early 90's synth sounds literally make me squirm in my chair............ |
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Cactus Choir ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 26 2008 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 1043 |
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Definitely an analog lover. My ears are accustomed to the sound which combines a pleasing rough-edged quality with a certain amount of warmth and doesn't seem as clinical as a lot of newer synth sounds.
It's obviously in the ear of the beholder as I played something to my younger, indie loving sister the other day that I thought had a corking analog synth sound. She started laughing and said it sounded like the soundtrack to some cheesey 70s cop show. ![]() |
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boo boo ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: June 28 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 905 |
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I've always said that a prog fan complaining about synths sounding dated is like a metalhead complaining about music being too aggressive.
![]() I frankly don't care if it's dated or not, most of the things I like ARE considered very dated, I'm not too interested in modern things.
All I know is that I love the sound of synths. Moog and Arp especially. I'm not as fond of modern software synthesizers that find their way in a lot of contemporary pop and rap music. I'm puzzled as to why people call the Moog cheesy while listening to crappy pop music riddled with Yamaha Software Synths. Edited by boo boo - February 12 2011 at 01:49 |
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Prog_Traveller ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 29 2005 Location: Bucks county PA Status: Offline Points: 1474 |
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You are right, just using updated equipment in itself does not make the music progressive. But then that opens up the whole can of worms which is "what is prog?" Then again can it be truly progressive if it is using the old equipment? If prog is suppose to be progressive then everything about it should be. That was my point. I personally don't care because I'm not too caught up in the labels. I like a certain sound too and yes I do tend to prefer the sound of the analog synths. I think one reason a lot of prog fans don't like neo prog is because they tend to use digital synths. |
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RoyFairbank ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 07 2008 Location: Somewhere Status: Offline Points: 1072 |
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I want to start a Fairlight CMI fan club, by the lack of God I love those things....
![]() I will never have one / play one / see one, but what's cooler than corny distorted sampling? Greatest . Synthesizer . Ever And yes, Zee's Identity does Rock, and you can't persuade me otherwise Dave Harris: Communicaaation's Mis-sing, In Every Thing I Sa-ay, Rick Wright: WAH wah waaah WAAAH!!!!! Diong Diong, Webit Wibit!!! Edited by RoyFairbank - February 04 2011 at 07:59 |
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stonebeard ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
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I dislike the idea of trying to recreate other instruments with a synthesizer. Not facsimiles used for a similar texture in a composition, mind you, but legitimately trying to recreate a piano. I guess it's a cool challenge to try to get it right, but the synth has so many possibilities for for creating new and exciting textures, with weird filters and effects. Sometimes it can work out right. Bass textures in particular can get quite good and useful. Even still I find a bass sound most naturally synthesized to be something easily and happily distinguished as a synthesizer (fat Moog lines, etc.).
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clarke2001 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: June 14 2006 Location: Croatia Status: Offline Points: 4160 |
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I can forgive DX everything...except that awful, awful crystal-glassy electric 'Rhodes' piano.
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verslibre ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 01 2004 Location: CA Status: Offline Points: 19233 |
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Neither do I. These "critics" on Amazon are generally a clueless lot. ![]()
Exactamundo. Sounds like those of the Clav, Fender Rhodes, deep Moog bass, etc., are timeless, unlike DX bass, which I now associate with Seinfeld more than anything.
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moshkito ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: January 04 2007 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 18457 |
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I'm still not tired of playing around with the Jupiter 8v software ... and have been mixing it up with other things ... yeah ... endless fun is about the only word for it and then some ... dammn it ... I have to go to work in the morning!
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KoS ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: May 17 2005 Location: Los Angeles Status: Offline Points: 16310 |
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Analog synths are sampled a lot in pop and rap.
so no.
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