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 Posted: February 21 2011 at 13:04 |
 Steven Brodziak wrote:
I have a bootleg by Genesis called "Live from the Mouth of the Monster" "ATTWT" era. Phil tried to sing "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" He could not keep up nor hit the highs Gabriel mastered. They switched songs in mid stream when his voice started cracking.
It was difinitive proof that Phil couldn't "do it all".
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I never thought he could, though he isn't all that bad...
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 13:10 |
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Nothing is sacred I see.
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Well, there it is. (Amadeus)
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 13:13 |
thehallway wrote:
Evolver wrote:
While Neal Morse sometimes sounds too much like Tom Petty to me, I don't find his vocals painful.
Any death metal growls make me cringe.
James LaBrie sometimes gets too shrill.
The vocals on Rick Wakeman's "King Arthur" album always annoy me.
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Those King Arthur vocals are great!
Guiiiii--nerrrrr-veeeeeeeeeeerrrre... .......... Golden tresses shinin' iiiiin her haaairrrr.......  |
As per King Arthur. When I replied. The guy does have a voice, but didn't use it. Therefor the term, bland.
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Steven Brodziak
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 13:34 |
topographicbroadways wrote:
Steven Brodziak wrote:
I have a bootleg by Genesis called "Live from the Mouth of the Monster" "ATTWT" era. Phil tried to sing "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" He could not keep up nor hit the highs Gabriel mastered. They switched songs in mid stream when his voice started cracking.
It was difinitive proof that Phil couldn't "do it all".
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I think Phil's voice peaked in 1977 and went slowly downhill from there. After Duke he seemed to really lose it vocally |
You say '77. ATTWT was released in '78. Could've been recorded '77. I think his studio vocals on that are on a level all their own. He was hitting some awefully high notes. The softer side of Phil showed up on Duke which I regard as a very good lyric and instrument based album. "The trees will lose their withered leaves I just can't seem to let them lose. and they come refresh me, those hot winds of the south. I feel like an alien, stranger in an alien place.
I just love it. But Gabriel he never was. He did conquer Supper's Ready very well on Seconds Out. No small feat.
Edited by Steven Brodziak - February 21 2011 at 13:36
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 13:39 |
Steven Brodziak wrote:
topographicbroadways wrote:
Steven Brodziak wrote:
I have a bootleg by Genesis called "Live from the Mouth of the Monster" "ATTWT" era. Phil tried to sing "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" He could not keep up nor hit the highs Gabriel mastered. They switched songs in mid stream when his voice started cracking.
It was difinitive proof that Phil couldn't "do it all".
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I think Phil's voice peaked in 1977 and went slowly downhill from there. After Duke he seemed to really lose it vocally |
You say '77. ATTWT was released in '78. Could've been recorded '77. I think his studio vocals on that are on a level all there own. He was hitting some awefully high notes. The softer side of Phil showed up on Duke which I regard as a very good lyric and instrument based album. "The tress will lose their withered leaves I just can't seem to let them lose. and they come refresh me, those hot winds of the south. I feel like an alien, stranger in an alien place.
I just love it. But Gabriel he never was. He did conquer Supper's Ready very well on Seconds Out. No small feat. |
Personally Seconds Out is my favourite Genesis experience and i think overall they were much better live after Gabriel left, which is mostly down to Phil being much more professional and working on his voice more. The Seconds Out version of Supper's Ready is absolutely fantastic and to me the definitive version
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 14:16 |
I've always loved Phil's vocals, even on later work when his range wasn't quite what it was.
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 15:02 |
topographicbroadways wrote:
Steven Brodziak wrote:
topographicbroadways wrote:
Steven Brodziak wrote:
I have a bootleg by Genesis called "Live from the Mouth of the Monster" "ATTWT" era. Phil tried to sing "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" He could not keep up nor hit the highs Gabriel mastered. They switched songs in mid stream when his voice started cracking.
It was difinitive proof that Phil couldn't "do it all".
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I think Phil's voice peaked in 1977 and went slowly downhill from there. After Duke he seemed to really lose it vocally |
You say '77. ATTWT was released in '78. Could've been recorded '77. I think his studio vocals on that are on a level all there own. He was hitting some awefully high notes. The softer side of Phil showed up on Duke which I regard as a very good lyric and instrument based album. "The tress will lose their withered leaves I just can't seem to let them lose. and they come refresh me, those hot winds of the south. I feel like an alien, stranger in an alien place.
I just love it. But Gabriel he never was. He did conquer Supper's Ready very well on Seconds Out. No small feat. |
Personally Seconds Out is my favourite Genesis experience and i think overall they were much better live after Gabriel left, which is mostly down to Phil being much more professional and working on his voice more. The Seconds Out version of Supper's Ready is absolutely fantastic and to me the definitive version |
Why was Genesis live better after Gabriel? I believe it was their ability to create suites etc. Gabriel always did full song start to finish. I love the "Old Medley's" etc 3 sides, Longs. However. 1 problem I do have with seconds is the chopped up rush job banks did on cinema show. It'slike he wanted it to end before it began
Best ever version I've heard of suppers ready is from a medley I can only find in "Wolfgang's Vault" click on Genesis. Find Concert "Los Angeles Forum" Los Angeles, Ca Oct 14th, 1986. Make sure it is the 14th! Track 18 "In the Cage/Supper's Ready" if you are not as impressed by the closing section. Well, sucks to be you. It is slowed downed for every precision note. Stuermer is excellent. Crank it up!
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Well, there it is. (Amadeus)
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 15:03 |
Really wish I could download this ^
Listening now, vocals missing in one section of Cage, they come back
Edited by Steven Brodziak - February 21 2011 at 15:06
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Well, there it is. (Amadeus)
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 15:22 |
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I think your Seagull/Albatross needs a white beard and a crutch ... other than that, it already is an aswesome avatar!
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Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 15:26 |
Mushroom Sword wrote:
Opeth, Magic Pye (sounds like country to me), and then anything else that uses growling vocals, including Oblivion, and Symphony X on their latest album.
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 15:30 |
HI,
There really is only one piece of music that I know that is painful for me to hear, and it is almost on a psychic level.
If you ever heard "One More Chance" on Fairport Convention's Rising For The Moon album, you will know that she passed away a few days later after the recording of this ... it is a massive tribute to her voice and a scary one at that. It's down right a haunting voice, as if she was asking for forgiveness or another chance, and she ... never got it, let's say, or her time was up.
Even more poignant and scarier still, is listening to the remaster of this album which adds a piano version of this song ... which is scarier still, and even more beautiful than previous version. Apparently it was a demo ... and the band filled it out magnificently and a tribute to her vision in music!
There is nothing else, in music, that is any sadder or scarier, or painful for me. There was a song in a Battered Ornaments album with Chris Spedding on guitar I think, called "My Lover's Gone Away" that is also very sad, and a very pretty tune ... but in general, music is never painful or sad for me at all.
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Posted: February 21 2011 at 16:00 |
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Bad singing can be found on Neu's self titled album, on the song "Lieber Honig." Godawful.
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Posted: February 22 2011 at 01:20 |
40footwolf wrote:
I've seen Dream Theater live opening for Iron Maiden and I've heard the studio albums. I actually think he's BETTER live since his vocals tend to get drowned out by Pertucci and Portnoy. His voice is just terrible. |
I agree his voice is a little annoying. The only decent song that I thought he sang well on was the Queen cover Tenement Funster/Flick Of The Wrist and a few songs off of Scenes From a Memory. I wish he actually sang more like Freddie Mercury instead of trying to sound like Geddy Lee.
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Posted: February 22 2011 at 21:25 |
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Bad singing can be found on Neu's self titled album, on the song "Lieber Honig." Godawful. |
I seriously doubt that it was ever thought of, or considered, singing ... it was all so experimental ... that anyone of us calling it singing, are probably not listening, and you know what ... ? ... we need to go back and have some more of that dope ... I mean ... music! We don't know the difference anymore!
There were others, that was not singing, and it was a part of the "voice is an instrument" thing, and no one was trying to sing ... and Damo Suzuki fits here very well. So did "Pole" (France), Faust and many others ...
Please do not compare "singing" to "voicing", or something that was NEVER designed to be a vocal, and if you ask Damo about this on the other post, I would think that he probably will not answer it, lest he say something that we might not understand or like ... but it has NOTHING to do with singing, and what we are asking, or demanding, is not nice, and very uncooth, and in the end, would stop anyone from expressing themselves.
Sure enough, Can could have been ditched when Damo first appeared ... that's singing? ... and we all would have missed the point! ... a massive point ... that I am not sure that people today, 2011, can appreciate in that time and place where we could experiment and do different things, that were appreciated, where today ... someone thinks it's bad, and they can state it ...
Check your "need" and "want" at the door, if you want to be a part of a progressive board, please ... because this is about an ear in music where things were tried, experimented ... and THEY LIVE ... because of it! ... and the artist had the balls and guts to do it ... and not listen to someone like you say ... NO! Please, make sure that you clarify that in your head ... that's very important.
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Posted: February 22 2011 at 21:34 |
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^ Very thoughtful and true.
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Posted: August 14 2011 at 14:37 |
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Dream Theater and King Crimson (after ol' Greggy) annoy me.
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Posted: September 22 2011 at 10:59 |
-Gentle Giant
Sometimes they make great vocal harmonies, but other times they give us bizarredissonances (see "Proclamation"). And the lead singer has a bad voice.
Other vocal bad:
-Gnidrolog (vocals killed "Lady Lake", in my opinion)
-Fish
The death-growls of Opeth
Backing-vocals Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci in "Fatal Tragedy", the first live versionof "Metropolis"
-Charlie Dominici
-Roger Waters
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"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be" Matthew 6:21
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Posted: September 22 2011 at 11:13 |
Well, it's obvious that Collins was Gabriel and he never failed when he tried to imitate theex-partner (as in "Robbery, Assault and Battery"). But I think we're talking about a great singer, both during the "Trick of The Tail" as in "We Can not Dance." The problem withCollins is that he never had a wide vocal range, then over the anso she was deepening, and that is why in most live performances of the 90īs and 00īs the songs performed had to havetheir shades changed.
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"For where your treasure is, there your heart will be" Matthew 6:21
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