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Enchant X
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when I was 13 years old I got into Boston and it was the start of my progressive journey there's elements of progression with Boston they aren't obvious but they are there. i've always believed it was Boston who first showed me that music didn't have to be a certain way ! We all started somewhere in our progressive journey somewhere, Boston is where mine started.
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richardh
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I like the early Boston songs but then like many 'new' things it got stale very quickly. That album that took 6 years to record was so massively over hyped it was beyond ridiculous. I still like the Asia debut album (the prog stuff is on the second side guys!) but again they went down hill quicker than Franz Klammer. Asia were a great live band. I saw them on the reunion tour in the 00's. The venue (Shepherds Bush Empire) was packed out and they performed full tilt. It was a few years after I saw Kansas there who were equally as good. |
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Edited by SteveG - February 14 2020 at 05:57 |
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Exact same for me, the 4 bands that opened my eyes to music were Boston, Deep Purple, Styx, Kansas |
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verslibre
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If Pink Floyd is prog, then Kansas is undoubtedly prog!
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If Kansas is prog, Styx is prog. Might me pop-prog, but still prog.
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CHanse97
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I'd say that Floyd could be far more easily defined as prog before Kansas is.
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verslibre
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I reckon you should give a listen to "Journey from Mariabronn," "Apercu," and "Death of Mother Nature Suite" from Kansas' s/t debut. Then, from the second album, Song for America, the legendary title track, plus "Lamplight Symphony" and the epic "Incomudro – Hymn to the Atman." If that isn't evidence enough, your ears may deceive you. Also, a version of "Incomudro" was recorded by Kerry Livgren's pre-Kansas band, Proto-Kaw, and they sound even less commercial. I like Floyd (not everything they've done, but I like them), but they're a glorified psych band, no? Let's be honest, Floyd's music isn't challenging. They have a lot of catchy hits. They're on par with Genesis and Yes in that regard.
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Edited by SteveG - February 14 2020 at 12:50 |
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dougmcauliffe
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Floyd and Kansas are both clearly prog and anyone who says otherwise has not listened properly to them.
Like come on, animals and song for America? Not prog? If those aren’t than I don’t know what is Edited by dougmcauliffe - February 14 2020 at 12:54 |
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Logan
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For me, The Dark Side of the Moon is more art rock/ lite prog rock than psych/space, and Wish You Were Here and Animals I would describe as Art Rock/ Prog Rock and not as psychedelia. I will happily describe earlier albums such as Atom Heart Mother and Meddle as Art Rock Prog meets Psychedelic and Space Rock. Before that I might describe the music using psychedelic as my primary descriptor. For me Pink FLoyd and Kansas made kinds of Prog and other sorts of music. The dichotomy of calling bands Prog or not Prog often doesn't work for me when bands have a diversity of style and approach. I say often you have to go the individual album level and often to the track level. But I could understand someone saying, say, they don;t think of "The Atom Heart Mother" suite or "Echoes", or "A Saucerful of Secrets" or "Shine on You Crazy Diamond" or "The Embryo" or whatever as Prog depending upon how they use the term. Sometimes people make such such claims without hearing enough of the discography, or understanding the diversity of ways to approach the question "What is progressive rock, and does it have set boundaries?" if people were to ask me what kind of music Pink Floyd makes, well it would depend on the period. I tend to think of a lot of it as Art Rock primarily. I'm not keen on Kansas, but of course that has no bearing on whether or not I consider it Prog. I am fine with calling various albums and individual tracks Prog by Kansas, but not all of it (I haven't heard all of it, but I've heard quite a bit, and owned Leftoverture). So is it a Prog band, I'd sooner call it a band that made Prog music and other music, partially because I don't think of bands themselves as Prog. I find that can lead to over-generalisations. I often like to leave pigeon-holing to the pigeons. Edited by Logan - February 14 2020 at 13:20 |
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I think some people who say they don't like Kansas(and or also say they aren't prog) have only heard the hits and are just going by what they have heard on the radio. Anyone who has heard their earlier albums knows they were about as prog as you could get. Saying Kansas weren't prog is like saying Yes or early Genesis weren't prog.
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progmatic
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I agree. Most of the posters who've argued Kansas isn't prog refer to Leftoverture or Point of Know Return, by which time Kansas was well on its way toward a more commercial sound. Their first 3 albums are definitely prog. After that, well that's where the disagreement should really begin.
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Logan
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It's rather like those people who claim Magma is nothing but a rather funky disco soul band because they only heard "Call From the Dark (Ooh Ooh Baby)".
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SteveG
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The bottom line, imho, in determining if a rock album is prog, or not, is simply to compare it to what else is or was popular at the same time. Does WYWH sound like Red Octopus by the Jefferson Starship? Or does it sound like Born To Run by Springsteen? These albums were all released at pretty much the same time back in 1975. It's silly to me to say albums like DSotM, WYWH and Animals are not prog when compared to the typical rock music of the day. The same with Kansas which, like you, I'm not a fan of. But that's neither here nor there. These groups are either prog or they're not. And if not, then we're all congregating at the wrong music forum.
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AFlowerKingCrimson
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I agree. But.....I'm done with this topic.
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Or some of the later Can stuff.
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Nope! I never liked DSotM anywhere near as much as what came after! They clearly peaked with the two albums you mention. And you're still off: DSotM isn't any "less prog" than WYWH/Animals. But I'd rather spin Meddle than any other Floyd album at this stage. I burned out on 'em. And I'd sooner listen to Dave's first solo album! Okay, let me know when your head stops spinning.
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