Hating Dream Theater

Do you want me to write why do I like DT ? I could but that's not the point.

or do you want me to say why people hate DT, from a constructive manner ?
Well, I think that some people are :

either jealous of their success (aww, a prog band that gets successful isnt prog anymore)

either think that they are badly representative of the prog scene (would you rather : DT or Gentle Giant ?)

Otherwise, most people just dont get them, or dont want to get them. They listen to a few 10 minutes tracks, and dont know that DT has done sooo much more. They dont like them because they dont like the "image" that they have. But, go deeper than the image would be wise, dudes.
If I stopped at the image of a band, I'd probably never gotten into Yes. I'd have said that they are just a bunch of grandaddies fooling around, weirdly clothed.
Or, maybe, some people cannot associate their image with the music. They are confused. ("a metal band covering pink floyd and yes ?!").
But I dont really know, as I dont *hate* them. Hard to make a constructive argumentation about something that you agree with. Unfortunately I'm not a journalist.


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Think about this: DT are just repetitive special effects .... and I'VE ACTUALLY PLAYED some of their stuff. Great fatigue  technically, but , well, just see this thing: take KC "Larks tongues in aspic", 1973, and KC "Red", 1974. Se what happened in 1 , 1 year my friends......that's what I call progression!!!!...... and then take "Images and Words", DT album of 1992, and "Awake", 1994 .......2 years of music have gone by, but not research,no innovation  so not prog. It's a good band, but it's commercial.

henri_ds wrote: NetsNJFan wrote: Radioactive Toy wrote: f**k if it wasn't an irritating band already.. the whole progressive metal "part" with the change of the forum... is this idiotic band! trow dream theatre down the wel.. so progarchives can be free! I agree! The typical dream theater album 1. w**king (10:00) 2. Retreads of Previous DT, Pt. 1 (12:20) 3. Stolen Riffs (6:00) 4. Stolen Metallica Riffs (7:30) 5. Retreads of Previous DT, Pt. 2 (8:00) 6. More (Talented, Though Boring) w**king (20:00) Five Stars from DT Fans Stick to the Classics: Yes      ELP   & ; ; ; ; ;nbs p;  Genesis      Floyd  & ; ; ; ; ;nbs p;   Krimson      Tull& amp; amp; amp; amp; amp; nbsp;     PFM      Camel   &a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;a mp;n bsp;  GG      VdGG   & ; ; ; ; ;nbs p;  Caravan      Focus        -----   All Better than DT ...and all 30 years older.... Opinionated ass-du-jour says : stick to the classics ! guys like you make me sick. How in the hell can someone be so DUMB,narrow-minded and STUPID in the first place ? **** you, I'm getting tired of it. so, even in your sig, you made it like a day job to hate and bash DT ? You're completely wasting your time. What interest have you in bashing bands ? If you dont like them, just shut the **** up, and dont go waste your time bashing them over the forum. I'm shure you're jealous of their success. Do yourself a favour : Oh, and for those of you that think that DT is only w**king, what do say about songs like : Wait For Sleep, The Silent Man, Peruvian Skies, Take Away My Pain, Eve, One Last Time, The Spirit Carries On, Disappear, Goodnight Kiss, Vacant..... Finally, the fact that they've covered songs like Pink Floyd's "Echoes" (amazing cover, by the way) simply prove that "they're only about w**king" is completely WRONG.

I didn't start off bashing them.  Only when we started getting reviews of their albums where theyd only get five stars from people who'd never heard any other progressive rock, saying that it sucked at DT was the only good band.  That pissed me off.  Yes they are talented musicians.  But as you point out, the example you bring up showing that their songs aren't just pointless solos is a "cover" of a classic band (PF).  They are just not that innovative.  Innovation is Prog.  I don't deny they are good at their instruments, But it is very hard to discern true melodicism in their music. They aren't groundbreaking or that original.  Perhaps I overreact.  I am just sick of the 1 track minds here praising them to the neglect of every band in the known universe. 

Valarius wrote: Who says they're neglecting other bands?

of course not all DT reviewers, some are intelligent and respectful.  But a lot are awful, and automatically give DT 5 stars.  I hate that. 

how can you truly "hate" dream theater. they are bring prog back! its because of them that prog has gained more followeres! now i will say this, i trully "hate" the dream theaters vocals! its sounds awful and lanky! it just is plain crap in my opinion. Other then that though, i thinkl the inturmental parts are pure magic.! the vocals do ruin alot though. now ive seen them play with yes at the same concert. and there pretty kool. they even played some Mahcine Messiah from Drama, which i thought was Extremly SWEEEET!!! they play well with yes! back on topic, they arent that bad.

Valarius wrote: I would give every single DT album 5 stars. I well and truly love each of their albums.

Wow, even me, a huge DT fan would not give a DT album 5 stars. I actually rate things by using the "10 scale" instead because I believe it is easier to separate the great albums from the very good albums by giving it a 8 instead of all 10's. Heres how I would rate the Dt (studio) albums/EPS

WDADU- 9

IAW- 10

Awake- 10

ACOS- 9

FII-9

SFAM-10

SDOIT- 9

ToT-8

novahead wrote: Poor Dream Theatre the prog people hate them and the metalheads hate them   Dudes i think you have to keep in mind they are Prog-Metal not prog-Rock.these to are pretty much different genres. Prog metal is MUCH more calculated, precise, cold almost to get emotion from this kind of music is an aquiared taste it seems.  i dunno just my 2 cents   I agree.  They are two Genres.  It is VERY hard to compare works like 'Images & Words' and say 'Fragile' by Yes.  Completely Different genres.  Prog Metal is closer to Prog Rock than some of the really weird electronic ambient stuff though that has no relation to rock.

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King of Loss wrote: Exactly, well said. But I can say I prefer IAW over the earlier Yes stuff, even though I fooking love Yes.

I am not putting down you preference.  But just wondering.  Do you tend to like metal music more than more symphonic/classical music?

arkitek wrote: oliverstoned wrote: just listened to one album, and it was already too much for me! i found it binary, boring, poorly skilled musicians... It has nothing to do with real progressive. They know how to play 2 notes, but that's all! oliver i only no how to play 2 notes and i am 14 so does taht mean i am able to play a DT song? how are they poorly skilled musicians they are alot better than the likes of Robert Fripp or Adrian Belew (King Crimson) IMO.

 

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!!!!! BETTER THEN FRIPP! I'm sorry man you have a lot to learn about muisc.  DT is good but I think they are a bit too showie, there's nothing wrong with doing somthing that dosent have a million notes. 

Hating Dream Theater..! What pathetic subject..!  If some people hate them, simply ignore them. Do not buy their music. Do not pay attention to their music… They do not deserve your precious time…