Sarah Palin: A Maggie Thatcher for America

I wonder if there is a factual and statistical number somewhere that would break down the percentage of "liberal" vs "conservative" media in the U.S. ???
Or is it just that any confrontational or questioning journalist that doesn't toe the government line (or rather the Government when it's the GOP) is to be considered "liberal" ?
The Conservatives had no problems with the media questioning the intervention in Bosnia. It wasn't considered unpatriotic, nor were there any "Support our Troops" ribbons to be seen anywhere. No mention was made, nor any kudos extended to Clinton during his term as President as the Federal Budget finally was balanced. Yet, fiscal responsability is claimed by the GOP to be their own special gift to America. Again, no historic recall as to when this goal was actually achieved, nor any outrage when even a shred of fiscal realism was thrown out the window by Bush.
ANd if the U.S had to have a Bush in power for two terms, Why couldn't George Sr have come back ? At least he was not beholden to ideology, to big dick politics. HE did come across more patrician than common man, but you knew that he had served his country in what he saw was in the interest of the country. Noblesse Oblige, maybe, but noble in intent if not result.

One thing about Maggie, she saw her country as slowly strangling on unsustainable programs, and suffocating its' economy by disregarding the notion that competition is a reality in the world. You could almost say that she foreshadowed globalis.
A few have stated that if she had mellowed once her main goals were achieved, and redirected the "surpluses" achieved by her success towards helping those most affected, that she might have gone on to win another term or two and not been kicked out of power.
Comparing Palin to her is, well , simply put ???????????????????????????????????????????? to infinity.

metalisnotprog wrote: Hers a stat, for you.....Thatcher decimated heavy iundustry in the UK, brought the unions to their knees, made the rich fantastically wealthy, and the poor? SHE F*CKED US WITH THE POLL TAX.   Palin..........thank f*ck she ain't in the UK.

debrewguy wrote: I wonder if there is a factual and statistical number somewhere that would break down the percentage of "liberal" vs "conservative" media in the U.S. ??? Without using labels, it's quite clear that the media is biased. Or is it just that any confrontational or questioning journalist that doesn't toe the government line (or rather the Government when it's the GOP) is to be considered "liberal" ? The Conservatives had no problems with the media questioning the intervention in Bosnia. It wasn't considered unpatriotic, nor were there any "Support our Troops" ribbons to be seen anywhere. No mention was made, nor any kudos extended to Clinton during his term as President as the Federal Budget finally was balanced. Once again, Clinton never balanced the budget, it's a myth. Yet, fiscal responsability is claimed by the GOP to be their own special gift to America. Again, no historic recall as to when this goal was actually achieved, nor any outrage when even a shred of fiscal realism was thrown out the window by Bush. ANd if the U.S had to have a Bush in power for two terms, Why couldn't George Sr have come back ? At least he was not beholden to ideology, to big dick politics. In retrospect he was the best president by sheer virtue of not doing much harm.  HE did come across more patrician than common man, but you knew that he had served his country in what he saw was in the interest of the country. Noblesse Oblige, maybe, but noble in intent if not result.

It's fun to see how everyone's screaming and yelling at the Republicans' clever tactics which may eventually steal the elections. All they did was putting on the ticket someone who did at least something of substance as opposed to a superficial talk about change. People are willing to ignore her  Christian fundamentalism, and troopergate, etc. just because there is a tiny ray of hope that it may be a real change (which is probably not). Isn't it something for the Democrats to consider finally and present something real instead of playing the racial/feminist card

I've heard that now they're all up in arms that she had a tanning bed delivered to the Governor's mansion. A tanning bed paid for by her own money. Watching the media scurrying around is like watching a mound of fire ants.

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IVNORD wrote: It's fun to see how everyone's screaming and yelling at the Republicans' clever tactics which may eventually steal the elections. All they did was putting on the ticket someone who did at least something of substance as opposed to a superficial talk about change. People are willing to ignore her  Christian fundamentalism, and troopergate, etc. just because there is a tiny ray of hope that it may be a real change (which is probably not). Isn't it something for the Democrats to consider finally and present something real instead of playing the racial/feminist card

In fairness, the GOP have played the "feminist" card well beyond what the dems have done with race...perhaps this stems from right wing thirst and ultimately shock at some level of artificial diversity, whereas the libs know that Obama isn't really as popular in the black community as many white folks assume. 

IVNORD wrote: debrewguy wrote: IVNORD wrote: Blacksword wrote: Finnforest wrote: http://impalin.com/impalin/The Jon Stewart video currently on the front page (today) spells it out perfectly.And you are correct.  This ticket will make Bush/Cheney look like the Green Party.  It is reckless, and it turns out that McCain, not Obama, was the one to put an election above the country's interest.  "Country First" my ass.  Absolutely. That Jon Stewart video is almost painful to watch. The double standards are beyond belief.    Agree. Though the double standards are nothing new. Gary Hart's political career was finished after the Rice affair, but they ignored Clinton's affair with Jennifer Flowers. Douglas Ginsburg nomination to the Supreme Court went up in smoke after in 1987 he admitted he'd smoked marijuana in the 60's, and the teflon Bill got away with murder for his not inhaling. You've got to get used to it by now. IVnord, I'm not even going to bother going through 8 pages of posts. Here's my question - how did George Dubya Bush manage to denigrate both John McCain and John Kerry's war record and yet never be even slightly pushed on his examplary National Guard service ? Swift boat veterans for Truth ? McCain has illegitimate black daughter ? The Democrats are not saints, and James Carville should have got his comeuppance a few times. But since Lee At**ter and Karl Rove, the GOP has consistently used innuendo, lies, and unsubstantiated rumours, along with push polls (call people up, ask some questions that don't say the opponent actually said or did the bad thing, but if he did , would you vote against him; then wait for the now known "rumour" to go viral) to slime the Dems. And the Dems are still just learning that when the opponent goes negative, attack back twice as hard, then go back on message. Ignoring the lies only feeds the ignorance that partisan breeds. I just read an article about John McCain and the changes his "political" personality has gone through since his loss to Bush in '04. The Straight Talk express went straight to hell, and now it's talking points only. Period. DO you seriously think that Obama's people haven't learned from things like that. What specifics can you tell me that Bush ever gave during a campaign. Bi-partisanship ? That went out the window the moment a democrat dared oppose him. Fiscal responsability ? That'll come once the rich have had enough of the tax breaks they deserve, eh ... McCain from '04, and an Obama matching that openess to real discussion would have made for an epochal election. As is, McCain is going for power. And so is Obama. Hey debrewguy, I just mentioned the double standards in connection with the Democrats to keep it in balance. THey are in it too. BTW, the media kind of approved Clinton's draft dodging although they grill Quayle for his National Guard service. I forgot about it.  A s per the swift boat veterans, I didn't really care too much for their ads. What turned me off was the fact that Kerry threw away his medal ribbons instead of the actual medals. Also why he never slapped the veterans with a libel suit?

Oh yeah, the Dems have their share of blinded partisans. But the media(damn liberal journalists ) & the Base of GOP christian conservatives (the Moral Majority, the Evangelicals, not including of course those preachers eventually found to have popped nitryl whatever and indulged in sex with male prostitutes) never seem to pick up on GOP hypocrites. Remember the GOP heads stating that Clinton should step aside because of marital infidelities. As to how that was somehow unacceptable for a public figure who should be setting and be held to a higher  moral standard for Americans. Do you recall Newt Gingrich crucifying himself in public for such activities ? Neither do I. How about Speaker-designate Bob Robinson ? DO you remember how he acted during the hearings ? Until he was found out, he was all gung-ho that 'ol Bill beggone for his carnal misdeeds. Then when it came out that Bob was guitly of the same thing, what was his response ? That at least he had the "grace" to resign once he was found out. Of course, the question begs as to why he wouldn't have resigned when he started fooled around. Or is it just wrong once you get caught ?
I could mention Rush Limbaugh's anti-drug double standard , but the guy could re-crucify Christ , and likely get away with it by stating that Our Lord masquaraded as a Christian while never renouncing his Jewish  faith, and was in the end A LIBERAL, who preached forgiveness for those who sinned; along with some communist tendencies about "sharing the wealth and being your brother's keeper".
Name a democrat that attacked the GOP or a GOP titan for sexual transgressions. Name a GOP star that is for the free market as a kind of God given perfect economic system. Then see how much governement intervention they seem to be able to stomach when they see the American middle class demand it. Or rather, I should say, when the CEOs, and multinational corporations need a bailout because they couldn't manage worth a sh*t.
Remember Bush pushing for a bill to tighten up bankruptcy laws 'cause in his opinion ( and the credit card companies) too many people were getting away with financial irresponsability.And now when millions of Americans file bankruptcy, have their houses foreclosed, who gets federal relief ? Fannie Mae ? AIG ? Oh, they're just too big to let crash. Heck, have the government ever thought "Hey, if we give this same mega-amount of money to the American citizens based on their current income and financial situation, these folks might go out there and spend this country and the world economy right out of a recession" ! Then, we'll investigate the executives suites of these "failed" companies, and see what sweet deals were received and never returned despite the collapse of their commercial Fiefdoms". Oh wait , that's communism. In Capitalism, he who risks money , and fails on a grand scale gets to keep his already paid rewards. Which is why most of them want market self-regulation. All they want and need from governments are endless tax breaks, and bailouts.
God, I gotta re-learn my Economic Realities ...
Where's the outrage ?



Edited by debrewguy - September 18 2008 at 14:02

debrewguy wrote: chances are the GOP will find a way to look the other way. Yes, the party of the righteous, the religious, the moral, will accept leaders who have and do transgress; while screaming for the rack for those opponents who have been accused of less

And more often than not, the party of mass hypocrites.


The Dems are too probably, but they don't wear their "Christianity" on their sleeves.

E-Dub wrote: I've heard that now they're all up in arms that she had a tanning bed delivered to the Governor's mansion. A tanning bed paid for by her own money. Watching the media scurrying around is like watching a mound of fire ants. E

  A couple of weeks ago I saw a report on MSNBC about her charging travel expenses while working from home. No other major network confirmed that.