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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 12:50
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:


He has yet to post a review here. 



not gonna argue anything else you wrote, but this hardly relates to what's at hand.  It took me months before I wrote my first PA review
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 12:57
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:


He has yet to post a review here. 



not gonna argue anything else you wrote, but this hardly relates to what's at hand.  It took me months before I wrote my first PA review

It took me years. LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 13:33

I had no intentions of insulting you. I apologise for any offence done. But what I should had mentioned was that the Holocaust deniers tends to go to any forums to peddle their lies. That even including a forum for breastfeeding mothers before that forum was closed down. Hence; I thought that quak-quak from the pond was a duck and ordered potatoes and onions to my Bejing Duck dinner.   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 13:34
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 13:34
The holocaust is one of the most disgusting things that's ever happened in the world.  I think about it sometimes; there's a great Rush song called "Red Sector A" that is based on the experience inmates would go through at the concentration camps.  Geddy Lee's mom and dad met in one of them. 

I made a really weird observation the other day; if there was no holocaust, Geddy Lee's parents might never have met in the concentration camps.  As a result, Geddy Lee might never have been born, and Rush might never have existed.  History is really, really screwed up that way. 

Of course, D-Day wouldn't have occurred, and WW2 wouldn't have, either.  I guess we would be living in a totally different world.

I think a lot of old Jewish folks who survived have real resilience, considering what happened to them.  When I was in middle school, my journalism class was invited to a symposium with a former Nazi foot-soldier and former Jewish inmate who had become friends in old age.  The Jewish guy was hilarious; he just said that his first reaction, when hearing about Adolf Hitler committing suicide, was "what a coward!"  Great guys, it was amazing to hear a firsthand account of their experiences during the Holocaust.  They were in their 90's, so most likely they aren't alive anymore.

Holocaust denial may be rampant in certain circles.  It doesn't change what happened, and it cannot diminish the sacrifice of those who gave their lives to end the Nazi regime, or the memory of those incarcerated by Hitler.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 13:36
Originally posted by Barking Weasel Barking Weasel wrote:


Of course, D-Day wouldn't have occurred, and WW2 wouldn't have, either.  I guess we would be living in a totally different world.



Now hold on, WWII didn't happen purely because of the Holocaust.  There are other factors like, you know, the Nazis trying to conquer the world
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 13:44
The extermination programs/camps hadn't yet begun by 1939, so this was not any sort of reason for WWII.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 13:51
^ Sorry, I meant it in a more hypothetical, general sense of whether or not the Nazi's would have actually existed, not just the motives for the war itself.  I know that the Holocaust itself was not the primary motivator for WW2.  That was my fault, I'll try to be more clear in the future.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 14:01
I hope nobody starts a thread on abortion. Then all hell is sure to break loose.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 15:45
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Hitler was not the first to commit genocide nor the last. Equally disturbing atrocities were commited on US soil by US officers. While we need to study WWII and all its implications we need to stop denying the armenian genocide and admit that we had concentration camps of the Japanese and admit that we systematically killed thousands of native americans in the most brutal manner.

Nobody has denied that USA and others has blood on their hands. In fact; every nation, including the socalled peacefull Scandinavian countries, have committed hideous grotesque crimes against humanity during the last 150 years. But in this thread, someone has denied the full historical extent of Holocaust. Hence my posts today.   

I take offence to the idea that the holocaust was the worst atrocity ever. I especially take ofence to my governments official stance on certain issues (armenian genocide, native american treaty rights) I simply am not as obsessed with WWII as so many people seem to be because its not that much different than a thousand other wars, as unfortunate as that is. History is depressing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 16:49
I just wanted to say that it is impossible to distance Hitler in any way from the Holocaust, because in Mein Kampf, he talks of pograms against the Jews-it was part of his master plan from very early on
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 19:20
Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

Originally posted by Proletariat Proletariat wrote:

Hitler was not the first to commit genocide nor the last. Equally disturbing atrocities were commited on US soil by US officers. While we need to study WWII and all its implications we need to stop denying the armenian genocide and admit that we had concentration camps of the Japanese and admit that we systematically killed thousands of native americans in the most brutal manner.

Nobody has denied that USA and others has blood on their hands. In fact; every nation, including the socalled peacefull Scandinavian countries, have committed hideous grotesque crimes against humanity during the last 150 years. But in this thread, someone has denied the full historical extent of Holocaust. Hence my posts today.   

I take offence to the idea that the holocaust was the worst atrocity ever. I especially take ofence to my governments official stance on certain issues (armenian genocide, native american treaty rights) I simply am not as obsessed with WWII as so many people seem to be because its not that much different than a thousand other wars, as unfortunate as that is. History is depressing.

The holocaust was the first systematic modern attempt to wipe a group of people off the face of the earth.  Sadly enough it isn't an isolated event.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 21:14
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

I had no intentions of insulting you. I apologise for any offence done. But what I should had mentioned was that the Holocaust deniers tends to go to any forums to peddle their lies. That even including a forum for breastfeeding mothers before that forum was closed down. Hence; I thought that quak-quak from the pond was a duck and ordered potatoes and onions to my Bejing Duck dinner.   

 
Did I start this thread? You prove how immature you are by continuing to insult me by calling me a holocaust denier. Trotsky would be proud of you. So how long have you been Sayanim?  Does it pay well?  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 21:20
Originally posted by Barking Weasel Barking Weasel wrote:

it was amazing to hear a firsthand account of their experiences  
I agree. It was my father in law, who is Czech that first got me interested in WW2. His stories about his dealings with German soldiers and his admiration of Adolf Hitler I found to be very interesting. Of course his first hand experiences weren't getting him any ADL sponsored monetary payments either.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 21:22
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

I just wanted to say that it is impossible to distance Hitler in any way from the Holocaust, because in Mein Kampf, he talks of pograms against the Jews-it was part of his master plan from very early on
Please cite the exact chapter and page please. This is not true. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 22:11

Should I start a 9/11 conspiracy thread so we can bang our heads against that wall too?


Edited by Henry Plainview - February 22 2011 at 22:33
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 22:23
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

In all seriousness, why are we discussing something that happened > 60 years ago if there are still people dying from hunger and from genocide today?

I witness the squalor of mankind everyday on my way to school or whenever I am outside of my home and yet we are here, discussing about Hitler and his holocaust. There are more important matters to discuss now than the holocaust.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 22:28
Well, Mr. Plainview, I believe that 9/11 was a direct result of the Holocaust. In a very round about way. Ignoring several important details. Without any consideration for political or historical context. Lacking any real thought involved at all. It's just a belief I have.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 22:29
Because people enjoy discussing it and the Holocaust has stronger emotional ties to some people due to family / cultural reasons than the rest of the atrocities occurring past and present. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 22 2011 at 22:35
Good. Atrocities happening all around the world. The part of the world I come from, South America, with hunger and poverty and in some countries, tons of violence. Yet I'm expected to still suffer for the holocaust.

Jews got it bad, awful, horrible. People around the entire world have had it bad, awful, horrible, whenever a state becomes more powerful and important than the human being itself. This is not bad luck exclusive to one race. Get over it. We all suffer in one way or the other. As HUMANS.
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