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The Doctor 
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 Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:27 |
 Tony R wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you. Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
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So that's a "No" then,is it?
Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying......
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You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be.
With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. |
My "stereotyping" was merely to make a point without labouring it.I do not assume that everyone who owns a gun is uncivilised,I believe it unreservedly.
So,MTS,gun ownership is a sign of being civilised,and racism is but an embarrassing blip in the history of your nation.Whatever!
MTS wrote:
Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be.
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That's your idea of a clincher,is it?
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Please stop whining about racism in the U.S. The U.S. has not had a stellar history of racial relations. However, nowadays, it is just as likely for the blacks in this country to be racist as it is for whites. There is racism on both sides, and so long as people keep whining about racism, it's not going to get any better. There is no longer the systematic discrimination against blacks that there was in the past, and now their lot in life is as much up to them as it is to us whites. If they decide to "thug out" and commit crimes, it's not racism which puts them in jail, it's their own uncivilized behavior. If they decide to have multiple babies instead of working, it's not racism that makes them poor, it's their own irresponsibility.
I do not mean this as a slam on all black people in our country. As there are many, the majority I would say, who are fine, upstanding, productive citizens. But I get tired of hearing how it's the fault of whites for the predicament of those blacks who are not fine, upstanding, productive citizens.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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marktheshark
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:27 |
The Doctor wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you. Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
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So that's a "No" then,is it?
Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying......
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You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. |
Come on Mark. It's ok to stereotype, as long as who you are stereotyping is not female, black, arab, hispanic, and so on. It's perfectly acceptable in this country and others apparently to stereotype white males. If you stereotype a non-white or a non-male, it might hurt their feelings. But as white males have a little thicker skin than to be a cry ass (well at least some of us anyway, ultra-liberals no matter their race or gender are usually cry asses), it's perfectly ok to stereotype us. |
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marktheshark
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:33 |
Tony R wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you. Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
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So that's a "No" then,is it?
Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying......
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You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. |
My "stereotyping" was merely to make a point without labouring it.I do not assume that everyone who owns a gun is uncivilised,I believe it unreservedly.
So,MTS,gun ownership is a sign of being civilised,and racism is but an embarrassing blip in the history of your nation.Whatever!
MTS wrote:
Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. |
That's your idea of a clincher,is it?
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Now you see! There you go again! Out of all the debates I've had with you, I've never taken a shot at Britain as a nation or a culture like you do with the U.S. Not that I don't have any ammunition! I just keep it to the core issue. I hate going into this "At least we don't do this or that" crap! That's just juvenile! Now grow up, will ya!
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Tony R
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:40 |
I hate most -isms and spit in the face of political-correctness.I dont include anti-racism or humanitarianism as being Politically-Correct.That's called common decency in my book.However,I'm neither an "ultra-liberal" nor a "cry ass".
I can just about count the amount of times someone telling me they used to be in the Armed Forces has been a prelude to them crawling in the dirt....all the army teaches you is a disregard for human life and how to be a bully.
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marktheshark
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:51 |
Tony R wrote:
I hate most -isms and spit in the face of political-correctness.I dont include anti-racism or humanitarianism as being Politically-Correct.That's called common decency in my book.However,I'm neither an "ultra-liberal" nor a "cry ass".
I can just about count the amount of times someone telling me they used to be in the Armed Forces has been a prelude to them crawling in the dirt....all the army teaches you is a disregard for human life and how to be a bully. |
The only life the military teaches you to disregard is the life of the person or persons that are trying kill you and your fellow countrymen. Oh, 'scuse me countryperson. They have also saved lives too.
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:56 |
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
I hate most -isms and spit in the face of political-correctness.I dont include anti-racism or humanitarianism as being Politically-Correct.That's called common decency in my book.However,I'm neither an "ultra-liberal" nor a "cry ass".
I can just about count the amount of times someone telling me they used to be in the Armed Forces has been a prelude to them crawling in the dirt....all the army teaches you is a disregard for human life and how to be a bully.
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The only life the military teaches you to disregard is the life of the person or persons that are trying kill you and your fellow countrymen. Oh, 'scuse me countryperson. They have also saved lives too. |
come now! the miliary teaches good behavior and is a good way to give structure and meaning to many peoples' lives. true, the main purpose of a military is to protect one's homecountry or to fight a war. but that doesn't mean a military institution exists only to kill people.
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Tony R
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:56 |
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
I hate most -isms and spit in the face of political-correctness.I dont include anti-racism or humanitarianism as being Politically-Correct.That's called common decency in my book.However,I'm neither an "ultra-liberal" nor a "cry ass".
I can just about count the amount of times someone telling me they used to be in the Armed Forces has been a prelude to them crawling in the dirt....all the army teaches you is a disregard for human life and how to be a bully.
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The only life the military teaches you to disregard is the life of the person or persons that are trying kill you and your fellow countrymen. Oh, 'scuse me countryperson. They have also saved lives too. |
Yeah,forgot about that one...your lot are so good at distance-warfare that when they get into a real battle situation they bottle it and start killing their own side and allies. Like I said,complete disregard for human life.
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stonebeard
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 16:59 |
Tony R wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
I hate most -isms and spit in the face of political-correctness.I dont include anti-racism or humanitarianism as being Politically-Correct.That's called common decency in my book.However,I'm neither an "ultra-liberal" nor a "cry ass".
I can just about count the amount of times someone telling me they used to be in the Armed Forces has been a prelude to them crawling in the dirt....all the army teaches you is a disregard for human life and how to be a bully.
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The only life the military teaches you to disregard is the life of the person or persons that are trying kill you and your fellow countrymen. Oh, 'scuse me countryperson. They have also saved lives too. |
Yeah,forgot about that one...your lot are so good at distance-warfare that when they get into a real battle situation they bottle it and start killing their own side and allies. Like I said,complete disregard for human life.
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again, quite a generalization. to be fair, war is very complicated nowadays and if proper communication is not used, friendy fire could easily take place. instances of friendly fire happened in other wars, but since this war is fought differently, mainly in small skirmishes, we we always know soon after firing, whether or not we were firing at the enemy.
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The Doctor
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 17:01 |
Tony R wrote:
However,I'm neither an "ultra-liberal" nor a "cry ass".
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You just keep on telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better at night.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Tony R
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 17:06 |
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
However,I'm neither an "ultra-liberal" nor a "cry ass".
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You just keep on telling yourself that if it helps you sleep better at night.
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I take it you dont live near where the US army practices manouevres......duck and cover!!
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Tony R
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 17:08 |
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you. Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
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So that's a "No" then,is it?
Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying......
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You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be.
With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. |
My "stereotyping" was merely to make a point without labouring it.I do not assume that everyone who owns a gun is uncivilised,I believe it unreservedly.
So,MTS,gun ownership is a sign of being civilised,and racism is but an embarrassing blip in the history of your nation.Whatever!
MTS wrote:
Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be.
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That's your idea of a clincher,is it?
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Please stop whining about racism in the U.S. The U.S. has not had a stellar history of racial relations. However, nowadays, it is just as likely for the blacks in this country to be racist as it is for whites. There is racism on both sides, and so long as people keep whining about racism, it's not going to get any better. There is no longer the systematic discrimination against blacks that there was in the past, and now their lot in life is as much up to them as it is to us whites. If they decide to "thug out" and commit crimes, it's not racism which puts them in jail, it's their own uncivilized behavior. If they decide to have multiple babies instead of working, it's not racism that makes them poor, it's their own irresponsibility.
I do not mean this as a slam on all black people in our country. As there are many, the majority I would say, who are fine, upstanding, productive citizens. But I get tired of hearing how it's the fault of whites for the predicament of those blacks who are not fine, upstanding, productive citizens.
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That whole diatribe is so f**king ignorant that it defies belief.
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The Doctor
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 17:27 |
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you. Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
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So that's a "No" then,is it?
Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying......
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You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be.
With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. |
My "stereotyping" was merely to make a point without labouring it.I do not assume that everyone who owns a gun is uncivilised,I believe it unreservedly.
So,MTS,gun ownership is a sign of being civilised,and racism is but an embarrassing blip in the history of your nation.Whatever!
MTS wrote:
Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be.
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That's your idea of a clincher,is it?
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Please stop whining about racism in the U.S. The U.S. has not had a stellar history of racial relations. However, nowadays, it is just as likely for the blacks in this country to be racist as it is for whites. There is racism on both sides, and so long as people keep whining about racism, it's not going to get any better. There is no longer the systematic discrimination against blacks that there was in the past, and now their lot in life is as much up to them as it is to us whites. If they decide to "thug out" and commit crimes, it's not racism which puts them in jail, it's their own uncivilized behavior. If they decide to have multiple babies instead of working, it's not racism that makes them poor, it's their own irresponsibility.
I do not mean this as a slam on all black people in our country. As there are many, the majority I would say, who are fine, upstanding, productive citizens. But I get tired of hearing how it's the fault of whites for the predicament of those blacks who are not fine, upstanding, productive citizens.
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That whole diatribe is so f**king ignorant that it defies belief.
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Is that because you do not believe that blacks are capable of being fine, upstanding, productive citizens who are capable of pulling their own weight and acting civilized and responsible? Therefore, blacks must be coddled and given special preferences, and those whites who expect them to take care of themselves and act like human beings are racist? That's the only possible reason that I can see that my "diatribe" defies belief for you.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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marktheshark
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 17:41 |
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you. Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
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So that's a "No" then,is it?
Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying......
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You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. |
My "stereotyping" was merely to make a point without labouring it.I do not assume that everyone who owns a gun is uncivilised,I believe it unreservedly.
So,MTS,gun ownership is a sign of being civilised,and racism is but an embarrassing blip in the history of your nation.Whatever!
MTS wrote:
Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. |
That's your idea of a clincher,is it?
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Please stop whining about racism in the U.S. The U.S. has not had a stellar history of racial relations. However, nowadays, it is just as likely for the blacks in this country to be racist as it is for whites. There is racism on both sides, and so long as people keep whining about racism, it's not going to get any better. There is no longer the systematic discrimination against blacks that there was in the past, and now their lot in life is as much up to them as it is to us whites. If they decide to "thug out" and commit crimes, it's not racism which puts them in jail, it's their own uncivilized behavior. If they decide to have multiple babies instead of working, it's not racism that makes them poor, it's their own irresponsibility.
I do not mean this as a slam on all black people in our country. As there are many, the majority I would say, who are fine, upstanding, productive citizens. But I get tired of hearing how it's the fault of whites for the predicament of those blacks who are not fine, upstanding, productive citizens.
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That whole diatribe is so f**king ignorant that it defies belief.
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Is that because you do not believe that blacks are capable of being fine, upstanding, productive citizens who are capable of pulling their own weight and acting civilized and responsible? Therefore, blacks must be coddled and given special preferences, and those whites who expect them to take care of themselves and act like human beings are racist? That's the only possible reason that I can see that my "diatribe" defies belief for you. |
It's like I said to you before Tony, it seems that you're the racist here thinking that blacks are incapable of self-reliance. If I were black and heard you say that, I would be insulted.
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Tony R
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 17:47 |
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you. Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
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So that's a "No" then,is it?
Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying......
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You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be.
With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. |
My "stereotyping" was merely to make a point without labouring it.I do not assume that everyone who owns a gun is uncivilised,I believe it unreservedly.
So,MTS,gun ownership is a sign of being civilised,and racism is but an embarrassing blip in the history of your nation.Whatever!
MTS wrote:
Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be.
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That's your idea of a clincher,is it?
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Please stop whining about racism in the U.S. The U.S. has not had a stellar history of racial relations. However, nowadays, it is just as likely for the blacks in this country to be racist as it is for whites. There is racism on both sides, and so long as people keep whining about racism, it's not going to get any better. There is no longer the systematic discrimination against blacks that there was in the past, and now their lot in life is as much up to them as it is to us whites. If they decide to "thug out" and commit crimes, it's not racism which puts them in jail, it's their own uncivilized behavior. If they decide to have multiple babies instead of working, it's not racism that makes them poor, it's their own irresponsibility.
I do not mean this as a slam on all black people in our country. As there are many, the majority I would say, who are fine, upstanding, productive citizens. But I get tired of hearing how it's the fault of whites for the predicament of those blacks who are not fine, upstanding, productive citizens.
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That whole diatribe is so f**king ignorant that it defies belief.
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Is that because you do not believe that blacks are capable of being fine, upstanding, productive citizens who are capable of pulling their own weight and acting civilized and responsible? Therefore, blacks must be coddled and given special preferences, and those whites who expect them to take care of themselves and act like human beings are racist? That's the only possible reason that I can see that my "diatribe" defies belief for you.
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No,it is because you do not believe that!
In your mind black equates to either "inferior" or "social welfare abuse".
The very fact that you find it necessary to refer to blacks being able to be "fine,upstanding,productive citizens" shows what kind of completely patronising,dangerous,racist idiot you really are!
You are so inherently racist,you dont even understand what a crass question "those whites who expect them to take care of themselves and act like human beings are racist? " actually is.
Do we really need your kind of narrow-minded bigotry on this forum?
I think you should join Gleam on the White Supremacist site.
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Tony R
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 17:49 |
marktheshark wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you. Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
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So that's a "No" then,is it?
Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying......
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You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. |
My "stereotyping" was merely to make a point without labouring it.I do not assume that everyone who owns a gun is uncivilised,I believe it unreservedly.
So,MTS,gun ownership is a sign of being civilised,and racism is but an embarrassing blip in the history of your nation.Whatever!
MTS wrote:
Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. |
That's your idea of a clincher,is it?
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Please stop whining about racism in the U.S. The U.S. has not had a stellar history of racial relations. However, nowadays, it is just as likely for the blacks in this country to be racist as it is for whites. There is racism on both sides, and so long as people keep whining about racism, it's not going to get any better. There is no longer the systematic discrimination against blacks that there was in the past, and now their lot in life is as much up to them as it is to us whites. If they decide to "thug out" and commit crimes, it's not racism which puts them in jail, it's their own uncivilized behavior. If they decide to have multiple babies instead of working, it's not racism that makes them poor, it's their own irresponsibility.
I do not mean this as a slam on all black people in our country. As there are many, the majority I would say, who are fine, upstanding, productive citizens. But I get tired of hearing how it's the fault of whites for the predicament of those blacks who are not fine, upstanding, productive citizens.
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That whole diatribe is so f**king ignorant that it defies belief.
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Is that because you do not believe that blacks are capable of being fine, upstanding, productive citizens who are capable of pulling their own weight and acting civilized and responsible? Therefore, blacks must be coddled and given special preferences, and those whites who expect them to take care of themselves and act like human beings are racist? That's the only possible reason that I can see that my "diatribe" defies belief for you.
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It's like I said to you before Tony, it seems that you're the racist here thinking that blacks are incapable of self-reliance. If I were black and heard you say that, I would be insulted. |
Then you'd be stupid and black!
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marktheshark
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Posted: July 29 2005 at 17:51 |
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
Tony R wrote:
marktheshark wrote:
Tony R wrote:
The Doctor wrote:
As to your question about the "innocent" Iraqis killed in the war, I have a question for you. Why would you ask a question you already know the answer to?
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So that's a "No" then,is it?
Your placing of " " around "innocent" is very worrying......
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You know Tony, I usually don't after the personal traits of any opponent in a debate but your stereotyping is so blatant it just boggles my head. You assume anybody who owns a gun is uncivilised. You assume anybody who lives in the South here is a racist. Need I remind you that the Rodney King fiasco occured in L.A.? This isn't the 50s or 60s anymore. George Wallace is long gone and the Klan, although still around with chapters all over the U.S. has lost most of their grip. Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. With all the stereotyping you do, I just wonder who's prejudice here. |
My "stereotyping" was merely to make a point without labouring it.I do not assume that everyone who owns a gun is uncivilised,I believe it unreservedly.
So,MTS,gun ownership is a sign of being civilised,and racism is but an embarrassing blip in the history of your nation.Whatever!
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Sure there's still racism here, but it's not just confined to the South. And it's not on the massive systematic level it used to be. |
That's your idea of a clincher,is it?
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Please stop whining about racism in the U.S. The U.S. has not had a stellar history of racial relations. However, nowadays, it is just as likely for the blacks in this country to be racist as it is for whites. There is racism on both sides, and so long as people keep whining about racism, it's not going to get any better. There is no longer the systematic discrimination against blacks that there was in the past, and now their lot in life is as much up to them as it is to us whites. If they decide to "thug out" and commit crimes, it's not racism which puts them in jail, it's their own uncivilized behavior. If they decide to have multiple babies instead of working, it's not racism that makes them poor, it's their own irresponsibility.
I do not mean this as a slam on all black people in our country. As there are many, the majority I would say, who are fine, upstanding, productive citizens. But I get tired of hearing how it's the fault of whites for the predicament of those blacks who are not fine, upstanding, productive citizens.
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That whole diatribe is so f**king ignorant that it defies belief.
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Is that because you do not believe that blacks are capable of being fine, upstanding, productive citizens who are capable of pulling their own weight and acting civilized and responsible? Therefore, blacks must be coddled and given special preferences, and those whites who expect them to take care of themselves and act like human beings are racist? That's the only possible reason that I can see that my "diatribe" defies belief for you.
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No,it is because you do not believe that!
In your mind black equates to either "inferior" or "social welfare abuse".
The very fact that you find it necessary to refer to blacks being able to be "fine,upstanding,productive citizens" shows what kind of completely patronising,dangerous,racist idiot you really are!
You are so inherently racist,you dont even understand what a crass question "those whites who expect them to take care of themselves and act like human beings are racist? " actually is.
Do we really need your kind of narrow-minded bigotry on this forum?
I think you should join Gleam on the White Supremacist site.
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Doc, have you ever seen such twisted and bent logic in your life?!
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Tony R
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If you are so sure that you are right,why dont you say the things you really want to say about the "blackman's lot" in modern America.... 
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Tony R
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marktheshark
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Tony R wrote:
[QUOTE=marktheshark] [QUOTE=Tony R] If you are so sure that you are right,why dont you say the things you really want to say about the "blackman's lot" in modern America....
Yeah right! The Guidelines should prevent your kind of crypto-racist outpourings.
Respect your culture? You haven't got any mate!
Hit a bulls-eye,did I?
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Far from it my friend! This website wouldn't even exist if wasn't for our culture. Ever heard of Jazz and Blues? Where the hell do you think Prog originated from? Just classical music? Give me a break!
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