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Dayvenkirq 
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 Posted: January 02 2013 at 16:37 |
 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
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[QUOTE=Dayvenkirq]^ Yes, I do. I'm a human. Last time I checked I was allowed a little room for a mistake.[/QUOTEExactly we all make mistakes and no band is perfect. Now you get it |
I always got it. What's your main point? |
remember writing Fripp is god, your irrationalities, what to do with you, you don't get it |
Now you've just written a number of phrases in a single sentence that have nothing to do with each other. As a whole the sentence makes no sense. What irrationalities? What is it that I don't get? Make sense, man.
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Ambient Hurricanes
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Posted: January 02 2013 at 16:38 |
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INB4 lock
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I love dogs, I've always loved dogs
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Posted: January 02 2013 at 17:21 |
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INB4 lock
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This has been going on for 5 pages.
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Crushed like a rose in the riverflow.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 02 2013 at 17:40 |
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^ Well, there does seem to be a general concensus that Fripp is underrated. The rest was attacking/defending KC and Fripp and denying/recognizing the merits of KC's music.
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ten years after
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 00:17 |
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Eclectic prog according to this site by your logic The Crims isn't prog?
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Do you see this sentence? You slapped two clauses together that are for some reason in the same sentence. What are you trying to say in the sentence? That according to this site Traffic are eclectic prog? Yes, they are. That according to my logic the Crims aren't prog? I never said that. Where did you get that?
If you really think that for a band to be proggy they must have jazz elements, then you are wrong. Ever heard of Popol Vuh? They could do without jazz.
As Mr. twosteves has just pointed out, there were a number of proggy bands that predated prog. Really prog took time to take a shape, though last time I checked In the Court was the first album ever to feature an elaborate mix of classical, jazz, and psychedelia with a dash of experimental music, as well as an interesting instrumentation featuring Mellotron, saxophone, and flute. Traffic were a jazz-rock band, at least. This style had a name - "jazz rock". And it was jazz rock at best. People didn't know at the time what prog was. When In the Court came up, they didn't know name this style had. They came up with one - "progressive rock". |
Saucerful of Secrets and Ars Longa Vita Brevis are two examples of genuine progressive rock albums that preceded ITCOTCK. The term "progressive rock" was not invented as a result of KC.
Despite you not being able to remember it , Traffic were one of the pioneers of the mellotron in 1967 and it would be a big surprise to Chris Wood to hear that they didn't use saxophones. |
OK. How about this: The Who Sell Out and Sgt. Pepper are also examples of early prog that preceded Ars Longa Vita Brevis and A Saucerful of Secrets. So, as you can see, the birth of prog was not instantaneous; it took time. That's another thing to recognize. For a lot of people prog started with a particular record, be that one by PF, by The Who, by The Beatles, by The Nice, etc. I like to think that prog started with both Sgt. Pepper and ITCOTCK for their own certain merits. And I never said that, as a result of the coming of KC's music, people invented the term "prog rock".
@ ten years after: Why do you think a lot of people hail ITCOTCK as the seminal prog record? |
It was one of the seminal prog records, but not THE seminal prog record..
I think King Crimson has a more loyal group of supporters than any other prog band. This can be admirable but at times it has the appearance of intolerance.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 00:25 |
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^ How can the support for KC have the appearance of intolerance?
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 01:33 |
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^ How can the support for KC have the appearance of intolerance? |
I'm sure you know how a high degree of loyalty to something can turn into intolerance of alternative views.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 01:45 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
[QUOTE=Dayvenkirq]^ Yes, I do. I'm a human. Last time I checked I was allowed a little room for a mistake.[/QUOTEExactly we all make mistakes and no band is perfect. Now you get it |
I always got it. What's your main point? |
remember writing Fripp is god, your irrationalities, what to do with you, you don't get it |
Now you've just written a number of phrases in a single sentence that have nothing to do with each other. As a whole the sentence makes no sense. What irrationalities? What is it that I don't get? Make sense, man. |
you just don't get, you just acknowledged that no band is perfect but yet you're calling Fripp god, that doesn't make any sense. read all of the posts and then maybe you'll get it
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Ignorance is strength.”
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 01:59 |
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^ I never said that no band is perfect. In fact, that has nothing to do with the discussion we've had previously. And because I said Fripp is a god doesn't mean that he is perfect. I've never heard of a "perfect god". And I have no intention of reading everything in this thread from A to Z and looking for the key posts.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 03 2013 at 02:09
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 02:05 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ I never said that no band is perfect. In fact, that has nothing to do with the discussion we've had previously. And because I said Fripp is god doesn't mean that he is perfect. I've never heard of a "perfect god". And I have no intention of reading everything in this thread from A to Z and looking for the key posts. |
God= perfect, according to religion and its customs
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“War is peace.
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Ignorance is strength.”
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 02:10 |
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^ We are not discussing religion here; we are discussing music. Fripp is a human being. No human being is perfect. When I say that Fripp is a god, I mean that to me he is a guitar god. It's just a metaphor.
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 02:24 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ We are not discussing religion here; we are discussing music. Fripp is a human being. No human being is perfect. When I say that Fripp is a god, I mean that to me he is a guitar god. It's just a metaphor. |
well you acted as if he could do no wrong
Edited by ProgMetaller2112 - January 03 2013 at 02:24
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“War is peace.
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Ignorance is strength.”
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 02:26 |
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^ I really have no idea how my behavior would even in the least imply such a thing.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 03 2013 at 02:26
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 03:25 |
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^ I really have no idea how my behavior would even in the least imply such a thing.
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I guess you don't get it
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“War is peace.
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Ignorance is strength.”
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"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 05:58 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ I really have no idea how my behavior would even in the least imply such a thing.
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I guess you don't get it |
Is this your stock response? I see you using it repeatedly when you run out of other drivel. Fripp is god is the same as Clapton is god or Dave Stewart was...., it's a fan statement nothing more. I guess you don't get it.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 10:40 |
ProgMetaller2112 wrote:
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^ I really have no idea how my behavior would even in the least imply such a thing.
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I guess you don't get it |
You are allowed to be more specific than that. What is it exactly that I don't get?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 03 2013 at 10:40
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 03 2013 at 20:54 |
I really have no idea how my behavior would even in the least imply such a thing.
that's all you needed to know ^^^^^
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 04 2013 at 02:11 |
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^ That makes no sense. Why would I need to know that?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 04 2013 at 02:18
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ProgMetaller2112
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Posted: January 04 2013 at 02:21 |
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^ That makes no sense. Why would I need to know that? |
cuz you don't get it
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“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”
― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four
"Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: January 04 2013 at 02:24 |
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^ Break out of the loop, man. What is it that I don't get this time?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - January 04 2013 at 02:25
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