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Friday13th
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 15:38 |
More rock versions of Pictures at an Exhibition
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SteveG
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 15:24 |
I didn't listen to any classical until I saw the movie Amadeus in the early eighties because Mozart looked cool. So, how do we get classical to look cool again?
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Polymorphia
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 15:23 |
Argonaught wrote:
Polymorphia wrote:
It's a very crowded boat, and some of its passengers will get thrown overboard. That's just the way it is. | Could we possibly toss overboard Kate Bush and Peter Hammill? Make it look like an accident or something. |
You see, officers, they were kissing passionately on the stern. Too passionately.
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Friday13th
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 15:19 |
Most of what I like is way before my time. I have said the Beatles' accomplishments are "exaggerated," but I'm using music by other contemporary bands like the Kinks, The Beach Boys, and Procol Harum as reference. The fab four still have some undeniably brilliant stuff, though, but I'm not going dub something classic just cause everyone says it is. The internet allows the younger crowd to really research and examine what made bands special back then in a way people with rose-colored glasses back then couldn't accurately see. Of course there's that one kid who doesn't like the sound of any band before the 90s. That guy is the butt of my jokes. My somewhat pretentious goal as a progressive fan is to be able to enjoy music that pushes boundaries from all periods. Gimme some 1500s Renaissance Period pieces and let me get back to you if they're proggy or not!
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 15:12 |
Polymorphia wrote:
It's a very crowded boat, and some of its passengers will get thrown overboard. That's just the way it is. |
Could we possibly toss overboard Kate Bush and Peter Hammill? Make it look like an accident or something.
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Polymorphia
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 14:53 |
As a "youngster," I find that some classic albums instantly appeal to me and others leave me dry. I also find that the more musical context I gain from that era, the easier it is for me to appreciate artists I formerly did not like. I'm pretty open that I don't love ELP or Genesis, but I still hold out for the hope that I may someday "get" them as I dig into other prog artists. This also applies to older generations getting into newer artists. Many of them aren't as up to date on the musical and artistic context of today and thus may miss some great music today as well. But just as I dig into the classics, there are plenty that dig into new bands.
That said, our opinions shouldn't be blindly led by "canon" considerations. As listeners, we can't control what we like or dislike, so I don't cover up any of my dislike for any "classic" artist. They are in the same boat with every other musician. It's a very crowded boat, and some of its passengers will get thrown overboard. That's just the way it is.
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Argonaught
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 14:45 |
It was easy for me to get into prog, because I never understood how "rock 'n' roll" could be good for anything other than making noise.
I am wondering if my conspicuously disproportionate love of Tormato and Works Vol. 2 has something to do with the time when I started listening to music on my own, which would have been around 1977.
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Xonty
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Location: Cornwall
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 13:04 |
I'm still a teenager, but anyone I've met (that's my age) who likes prog is into Porcupine Tree and Mars Volta, not ELP and Yes. In the end, we usually seem to meet halfway with Rush, or sometimes King Crimson, but what I always get when bringing up Genesis is "Oh, my dad listens to them." No idea where my taste comes from though, because I used to like heavier and heavier bands and my parents both despise prog...
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progrockdeepcuts
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 12:27 |
I'm 22, been listening all my life. I love Tull, Zappa, King Crimson, Procol Harum, Rush, Caravan, Gong, Hatfield and the North, Banco, PFM, Supersister, Floyd, Gentle Giant, Can, Beefheart, Magma, Henry Cow, Univers Zero, and VdGG right alongside Cardiacs, Kate Bush, XTC, and some Marillion, right alongside Anglagard, Discipline, Thinking Plague, Alec K Redfearn, Mars Volta, The Decemberists, Steven Wilson, Mirthkon, Cheer Accident, Chrome Hoof, Aranis, The Cellar and Point, Knifeworld, Ut Gret, and Necromonkey!
Not the biggest fan of the Beatles - I don't think they are overrated, I just don't get it. Think you had to be there. Historical importance aside (I don't like things based on historical importance - I like what I enjoy), I'm not a fan.
Any questions?
Edited by progrockdeepcuts - December 14 2014 at 12:29
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friso
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 12:22 |
I grew into liking the classic prog period between age 17 and age 20 and liked it eversince. I'll be 26 next thursday. To be honest, I have way more difficulty getting into the modern classics, I prefer the sound of the seventies.
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bhikkhu
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 12:21 |
Looks like we are the same age. My 11 year old son is eating up the classics right now. I just play things and let him decide. He started out liking the heavier stuff but recently he went out and got his own copies of Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot and Dark Side of the Moon. He also loves Discipline and even responded well to Aranis.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 12:03 |
Who gives a damn what these young hooligans listen to? Now get off my lawn!
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Meltdowner
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 12:03 |
I'm always interested to read those stories. I think the music is more
meaningful when I know the details of the creative process, production
and especially how it was perceived by listeners back then. For me it's
even more important than understand the lyrics of the songs.
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 12:00 |
I think it is down to the individual - just like everything around here. To generalise, I'd say about as hard as old timers trying to get the modern classics.
One thing that I often find missing with (some) young music fans is their inability to count in the historical factor of X band. That's why you sometimes get the ridiculous 'The Beatles are waaaaay overrated! The Mars Volta are a thousand times more progressive!!!'
Edited by Guldbamsen - December 14 2014 at 12:01
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- Douglas Adams
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Gerinski
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Joined: February 10 2010
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Posted: December 14 2014 at 11:44 |
I'm from the old guard, approaching my 50th birthday. Within our generation when we discuss about Prog or Rock music in general, we can effortlessly introduce in the conversation considerations about The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, John Bonham, Syd Barret, Keith Moon, Keith Emerson, Jimmy Page, Tommy, Jesus Christ Superstar....., even about the Summer Of Love, Woodstock or The Isle Of Wight even if many like me were too young to actually live it, but it was still the hype during our growing up so we learnt about it. I guess that unconsciously we have that background as some kind of benchmark and we tend to use many of those references when thinking or talking about Prog today.
But for the younger generations interested in Prog, it must be hard to follow us, I wonder if they do have much interest in learning about those times. I can imagine that many of the things we oldies talk about in these forums sound like too remote for them? and if they are interested in that pioneering period, how do they get to learn about it? Just by listening to the albums of the period?
Or they tend to just neglect those roots and concentrate on the Prog of their generation?
Do they get very alienated or frustrated when in threads we oldies start discussing based on our benchmarks from the early 1970's which they probably do not know much about? Or is it 'a must' for any Prog fan to learn the roots?
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