Frank Zappa and prog?

i prefer music that tendency to symphonic, prog , classical

i am not interested totally in traditional blues and jazz

What supposedly  prog songs ZAPPA have 

MADE IN PROG

Maybe some eclectic prog here and there...I would try Hot Rats, Apostrophe, and One Size Fits All....if those don;t do it for you...move on.

Hi,

This is a scary thread for me.

FZ might not be "progressive" or "prog", but he certainly was one of the most adventurous creators of music during his life, and it is weird, that we feel that we have to root him to some kind of definition, that would not fit his work whtsoever. he did specify many times that his work was serious music, and there is no musician that worked with him that did not believe that ... the details were scary and most folks can only do 1,2,3,4 and not anything different with it, above it, or below it, and different for that matter.

His creativity might not be seen a whole lot when you play "We're In It For The Money", and then "Hot Rats", and then "Apostrophe" and then ... "200 Motels", but it is easy to see that he is looking for FAR MORE than just a rock song, and for my tastes, this thread is strictly about a rock song, not FZ's work, at all. 

AND THAT'S NOT FAIR, to a person that spent his life trying to ensure that music was more than just a song on the radio for you to enjoy 3 minutes of your life and go back to be depressed the rest of the time, unless you play Stairway to Harlem one more time!

As I have mentioned before, it is of utmost importance that we begin considering many of these folks as COMPOSERS, not hit makers, and radio songsters. If we do not do this, progressive crap will be dead before you and I are all gray, ugly and wrinkled!

Youre right

but i dont reduce to compilation the MAGNUM OPUS

I only avoid traditional music : BLUES, JAZZ, DO-WOOP, bored SPOKEN WORDS ,ETC

In the past i hear similar live prog song by FZappa and i like me in the same way like SANTANA (not prog-music) lenghty full live songs

Frank Zappa influenced to S.Vai but S.Vai own proper style

Frank Zappa own songs closer to prog St.Vai extraterrestial prog?

One of the things that got me to enjoy the "200 Motels" orchestra piece at UCLA, was just that.

And when you listen to it, I think that you get the idea that the choir and many of the other players, are having fun doing something they always wanted to do with overly-stuffed music, that was not as well written and defined as a lot of the Frank Zappa catalog, and the excitement shows. AND makes the piece better, and you just about have to listen to the last 20 minutes to end up out of breadth and feeling dizzy ... that's not only crazy, insane ... it's also very good, and much better than the average concert that you can go to see your local BS Orchestra do the same tired pieces yet again ... and, of course (in Portland!) not forget Pink Martini, so you don't get bored!

There is nothing by him on any record (that I've heard) that sounds anything like symphonic prog.

But there is plenty of great music!!!