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The Wizard
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Topic: Jethro Tulls warchild Posted: September 21 2005 at 20:50 |
For some reason this album is so underrated. When I first heard it I was quite impressed. When I finally saw the reviews though, I was suprised so many people disliked the album. It unarguably has two of tulls best tracks (Skating away and Bungle in the Jungle), but is full of other great tracks. I also think the album is better with the bonus tracks. I do agree It fails at having a concept, but other than that why does everyone hate this awesome record?
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The Miracle
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Posted: September 21 2005 at 21:26 |
That album is actually pretty weak IMO. 3 stars. It's still a good album but overall I think it could've been better.
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 00:50 |
I hugely love War Child and I've rated it with 5 stars!
With the new remastered edition nobody could say it's not an excellent one!
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kyrandia
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 02:09 |
Top 10 for JT, for me
1.A passion play
2.Aqualung
3.Songs from the wood
4.Thick as a brick
5.Heavy horses
6.War child
7.Minstrel in the galery
8.Stand up
9.Stormwatch
10.Benefit
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Paco Fox
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 03:15 |
Mmm... the think is that there are many songs in this album that fail to please many people. For example, I like 'Bungle in the Jungle', and it's a fairly well known song, but I've read many people who dislike it. I've never found anyone who really liked much (and that doesn't mean necessarilly disliked) 'Backdoor Angles' and 'Ladies' or even 'The Third Hoorah'. And many people seem to prefer 'Lick your fingers clean' more than the version here 'Two Fingers'.
So I thing that the problem is that, while all the songs are ok and there are certenlly great tracks (Sealion, Skating Away...), this album can't be up there with the top Tull record, nor at the bottom of any fan's list. Which is what I usually see and hear when talking about it.
By the way, I agree that there are some very good bonus tracks from this session, specially 'Rainbow Blues' and 'Quartet'. I feel that here, like in 'The Broadsword and The Beast' the selection for the actual LP was not the best.
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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 05:30 |
Paco Fox wrote:
Mmm... the think is that there are many songs in this album that fail to please many people. For example, I like 'Bungle in the Jungle', and it's a fairly well known song, but I've read many people who dislike it. I've never found anyone who really liked much (and that doesn't mean necessarilly disliked) 'Backdoor Angles' and 'Ladies' or even 'The Third Hoorah'. And many people seem to prefer 'Lick your fingers clean' more than the version here 'Two Fingers'.
So I thing that the problem is that, while all the songs are ok and there are certenlly great tracks (Sealion, Skating Away...), this album can't be up there with the top Tull record, nor at the bottom of any fan's list. Which is what I usually see and hear when talking about it.
By the way, I agree that there are some very good bonus tracks from this session, specially 'Rainbow Blues' and 'Quartet'. I feel that here, like in 'The Broadsword and The Beast' the selection for the actual LP was not the best.
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I prefer Two Fingers than its embryonic state Lick Your Fingers Clean!
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M. B. Zapelini
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 06:33 |
"Warchild" does not appeal to me. In fact, it is the only weak album at the row which goes from "This Was" to "Stormwatch", and I do not like Anderson's soprano sax playing. I do agree with Paco Fox: some of the bonus track are actually better than the original album.
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The Minstrel
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 07:15 |
I think it's a pretty weak album. The only songs I really like on it are Bungle in the Jungle and Skating Away.
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lucas
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 07:23 |
I think it's one of their best albums and I really don't understand why so many prog afficionados seem to bash it. The instrumentation is more varied than on the other albums, with the unique use of accordion in JT's career and the music is still both complex and melodic.
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Gluonio
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 07:38 |
I really love this album!!But then again i love almost everything they did!
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Syzygy
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 07:43 |
War Child is a bit like Benefit - a solid album with a couple of outstanding songs, but rather overshadowed by other Tull albums from the same era. Much as I like it, I couldn't go above 3.5 stars even for the remastered edition.
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rockandrail
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 08:12 |
How strange tastes (musical and others) can change in a lifetime!
I discovered Jethro Tull back in 1969 with the "Stand-up" album, at a time "progressive" was far to have the meaning we usually give it today. JT was more of a British Blues band with some "not yet called progressive" elements in both the composition and the choice of instruments.
While I went into pure prog by the end of 1970 with KC's Lizard and VDGG H to He (Yes, I had skipped ITCOTCK! Nobody's perfect , and at that time, Yes had only released their first ,which I did not know about, and "Time and a Word" which I do not like), I kept listening to more straightforward rock including all next JT releases until Thick as a Brick and, of course, I noticed the evolution towards prog rock, away from blues.
I must confess that the first time I was played Thick as a Brick in my favourite record shop, I did not immediately identified it as being Jethro Tull! But I immediately enjoyed it and purchased the record eventually. Logically, I next purchased "A Passion Play" the day it was released without even pre-listening to it (A new JT could only be good, could'n it?)
Believe it or not, I was terribly disappointed. That was not the group I liked anymore. Instead, some bizarre dissonant structureless long piece, quite boring. That was 1973. I was then addicted to Genesis, KC, Yes, Earth and Fire, to name a few. From JT, I expected something different, more rock oriented. Consequently I did welcome "War Child" as a kind of return to the roots.
Today there is no doubt for me: I was wrong in the past! "A Passion Play" is a masterpiece that reveals its gems over a long passion-playing time while "War Child" is a very weak album.
How strange tastes (musical and other) can change in a lifetime!
PS: IMHO the weakest Tull album is not War Child. It is "Too old to..."
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lmollea
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 08:16 |
I also don't understand why it's so underrated.
Yes, it hasn't got songs like "heavy horses", "my god", "pibroch" or "black sunday", but all songs are good and no song is crap.
Probably this album has a sort of "commercial" smell around it that could disturb some purists; short songs and choruses probably "offend" some sensibility.
For me it's 4 sars.
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The Hemulen
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 09:59 |
Odd how everyone here mentions "skating away" and the mediocre "bungle
in the jungle" as their favourites from this album! I think the reason
it's underrated, or at least not talked of much is because it doesn't
really gel as an album. It's very much "a collection of songs", some of
which work and som do not. My favourites would undoubtedly be "Backdoor
Angels" (so now you've found someone Paco!), "Sealion" and (if bonus
tracks are allowed) "Paradise Steakhouse".
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Bob Greece
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:08 |
I don't like it either. Bungle in the Jungle is a poor pop song and Skating Away is far too lightweight for a band like Tull. The rest is unremarkable and I've managed to forget about it. I've never heard them play anything from this album in the live shows.
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BiGi
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 10:59 |
I find it somewhat strange, but I like it (I think it's much more consistent than Minstrel, for instance).
In particular SeaLion is a standout track, but also King and Country, Back Door Angels and The Third Hooray stand among my favourites!
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soundspectrum
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 11:14 |
BAck door angels is good, as well as skating away, and bungle, but it is a terrible album to follow a passion play with
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XTChuck
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 11:55 |
After 4 or 5 excellent albums in a row, it was a step down. Not a bad record by any means but it could have been better. I think "Queen and Country" & "Back Door Angels" along with "Bungle" & "Skating" are classic Tull.

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Andrea Cortese
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 12:01 |

Ian Anderson is the Prog in person!
I love War Child!
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tedfromtoe
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Posted: September 22 2005 at 14:40 |
Been a fan since I first heard TAAB in 1972. Thought it couldn't be eclipsed, but PP did it for me. Those two are Tull's finest albums - PP being my all-time personal favorite album, period. Loved it then, love it now. Warchild was the follow-up to PP. I was dissapointed at first, (perhaps I was expecting the impossible) but I soon loved Warchild as my 3rd fave Tull after PP & TAAB. Then Minstrel became probaby my 4th fave. The 5th slot is harder to peg - they have so many wonderful albums, but aside from the classics Aqualung & Benefit, I love Broadsward (expanded) and another much maligned one - Under Wraps. Roots to Branches was quite wonderful and most of "A" is great, and of course Songs from the Wood, and ... oh well I digress....
Anyway, my top 4 Tull albums has not changed over the years. I feel that PP, TAAB, WC & MITG all have that sort of personal, poignant beauty (as does Benefit, and much of Stand Up & Aqualung) but also combined with elements that we all recognize as "prog", so therefore they are my personal favorite Tull albums.
My fave tracks on Warchild - The title track itself is the best for me - simply lovely melodies in both verse and chorus - (well arranged for orchestra on David Palmer's Classic Case album of Tull orchestrations) and weird transitions and off-kilter ensemble arrangements. Love it. Other fave tracks include Back-Door Angels, Sealion, Skating Away, and Third Hoorah. Though I was overjoyed to hear Bungle played on the radio at the time (yes, it was a HIT song in 1974-75!), it is actually my least favorite, and a rather embarrassingly silly song. However, it makes more sense when re-associated with the songs on their abandoned post-TAAB/pre-PP album (from whence it came - later released on "Nightcap") which had additional songs featuring lyrics with animal metaphors.
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