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I'm not sure how successful it was but Yes on the Keys to ascension studio tracks from the mid 90's. It always seemed to me like they were trying to throw a bone to their hardcore fan base with those who were(are) obsessed with just the 70's era. 
 

They did it, too. Those KTA tracks = the best Yes had done in a LONG time. Wakey was sizzlin'!  Wink


Too derivative to me and it just seems like they were trying too hard to recapture their golden era.

How can they be derivative when it's their sound? It was a line-up sans Rabin. I do like Trevor (especially his pre-Yes rock), but I welcomed the return to the G4T1/Tormato sound. "That, That Is" and "Mind Drive" were the tonic we needed after the underwhelming Talk and the abysmal OYE.

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Imagine a sixty year old man trying to lose weight and get into shape just so he can fit into clothes he wore when he was in his twenties? That's how I see it more or less. I still like it to some degree but I enjoy talk more and I even think the Ladder was better at finding the balance between an old and newer sound. The keys stuff doesn't even try to be modern it's just hey let's go in the recording studio and pretend it's 1972 again. So the prog fanboy in me likes it but over all it seems a bit too contrived for me personally.
 

Exactly what they're doing now, especially with Chris gone. Yes needs to hang it up. They're no better than Foreigner.

At one point it was their sound but the band evolved. For them to do that is like ignoring the pop success they had in the eighties which is exactly what the Yes prog snobs wanted(the "everything after GFTO sucks" mentality).

With Rabin and Sherwood both absent, there was no point in doing Big Generator/Talk-type stuff. 

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

To do a tip of the hat to their old sound is one thing but to revisit it for nostalgia sake they way the way did on the keys albums is another thing entirely.

ABWH had already happened years earlier. 

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Nothing really wrong with that if that's what you are into but at least call it tales part 2 or "close to the edge the return" or something. I guess the RD cover art work was enough for most people. We all have our own opinions on this and I don't expect most to agree with me but that's the way I see it. Anyway, I'm done discussing this. 
 

I don't know why you feel it's a point of contention, but numerous bands have done exactly what you described and been praised for it (and are named in this thread), e.g.—

Goblin – Back to the Goblin and Four of a Kind are exactly what I expect from them; their now-forgotten early 1980s attempt at a pop album (Volo) is not.
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ABWH sounded of it's time though. Sure it had long songs and a prog influence but not as blatantly a return to the old prog sound as KTA was. It was similar to ELP(with Powell)'s 80's album that way. Prog sound but not a blatant return to the seventies just a tip of the hat to it. All IMO. Ok, now I'm done. :)

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

ABWH sounded of it's time though. Sure it had long songs and a prog influence but not as blatantly a return to the old prog sound as KTA was. It was similar to ELP(with Powell)'s 80's album that way. Prog sound but not a blatant return to the seventies just a tip of the hat to it. All IMO. Ok, now I'm done. :)
 

3 - To the Power of Three was much more of an attempt to sound "modern" compared to ELPowell.

The 1986 album is better. Much better. "The Score" sounds about as "ELP" as you can get, too. They also included a classical cover. What the album lacks is a side-length piece, or suite.
 
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I think it depends ... on each and every band ... another one that is incredible, is BANCO ...(TRANSIBERIANA) ...

Hey, something I can actually agree with you regarding....although I had to edit out the superfluity.

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I would add Stve Hackett and Martin Barre. Their music is fantastic, inventive and full of power.

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Rememering some who have left this world, Gerard Hourbette's Art Zoyd delivered top class until the end, Holger Czukay's last work is still original and fresh, as are Jaki Liebezeit's last collaborations. Reflecting the spirit of the old times perhaps, but always reinventing themselves.Cry
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

ABWH sounded of it's time though. Sure it had long songs and a prog influence but not as blatantly a return to the old prog sound as KTA was. It was similar to ELP(with Powell)'s 80's album that way. Prog sound but not a blatant return to the seventies just a tip of the hat to it. All IMO. Ok, now I'm done. :)
 

3 - To the Power of Three was much more of an attempt to sound "modern" compared to ELPowell.

The 1986 album is better. Much better. "The Score" sounds about as "ELP" as you can get, too. They also included a classical cover. What the album lacks is a side-length piece, or suite.
 
 

Greg Lake actually addressed that at the time and regarded Side One as something that was continuous and you could strap the headphones on and immerse yourself . Personally my main issue with that album was there was so little Organ but for that little tease on the third track. Also the 'shouting' was not good for my ears!
I much preferred Black Moon.
Three To The Power Of Three at least had Desde La Vide but mostly was boring AOR.
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Novum by Procol Harum is one of those albums, I think. 
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Novum by Procol Harum is one of those albums, I think. 
Yes, but the almost ignored "The Well's On Fire" that came out previously was far superior and was much more of a throw back. A pity.
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David Bowie’s swansong Blackstar is one of the finest albums of this sort and truly stands shoulder to shoulder with his 70s oevre - some of it even giving a musical nod towards the olden days. I listened to it last night and was yet again completely blown away by this elderly man’s album.
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David Bowie’s swansong Blackstar is one of the finest albums of this sort and truly stands shoulder to shoulder with his 70s oevre - some of it even giving a musical nod towards the olden days. I listened to it last night and was yet again completely blown away by this elderly man’s album.
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I love Bowie and I love Blackstar. I'm still so sad he's gone, but what a high note to go out on. It's my album of the millennium.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

ABWH sounded of it's time though. Sure it had long songs and a prog influence but not as blatantly a return to the old prog sound as KTA was. It was similar to ELP(with Powell)'s 80's album that way. Prog sound but not a blatant return to the seventies just a tip of the hat to it. All IMO. Ok, now I'm done. :)
 

3 - To the Power of Three was much more of an attempt to sound "modern" compared to ELPowell.

The 1986 album is better. Much better. "The Score" sounds about as "ELP" as you can get, too. They also included a classical cover. What the album lacks is a side-length piece, or suite.
 
 

Greg Lake actually addressed that at the time and regarded Side One as something that was continuous and you could strap the headphones on and immerse yourself . Personally my main issue with that album was there was so little Organ but for that little tease on the third track. Also the 'shouting' was not good for my ears!
I much preferred Black Moon.
Three To The Power Of Three at least had Desde La Vide but mostly was boring AOR.
 

The first side of A would work better for me as a suite if "The Score" and "The Miracle" had something else connecting them. "Learning to Fly" is an alright song. I far prefer "Touch and Go," but moving it would weaken Side B a bit (and I even like "Love Blind" and "Step Aside"). 

I played the hell out of Black Moon when I first got it! I was so happy they were back. So glad I saw them at the Wiltern Theater in L.A. The set was almost everything you could expect from them. The energy in the venue was very high. I've no idea who he was, but this one cat up by the front had this amazing leather jacket with the huge ELP on the back and keyboards (octaves) running along both sleeves. 
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The latest track by Jan Akkerman is the best thing I've heard in ages, it really harkens back to Focus' "Moving Waves"!  


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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

The latest track by Jan Akkerman is the best thing I've heard in ages, it really harkens back to Focus' "Moving Waves"!  


Great video Charles! But you didn't mention King Crimson! I hope you're not ill. Wink
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Absolutely. Latest Strawbs album is right up there with group's best works in the '70s.
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Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Absolutely. Latest Strawbs album is right up there with group's best works in the '70s.


I must check it out then. I've got several on vinyl but don't listen to them enough. My favourite Strawbs song is Burning For Me and Burning For You is my fav album.
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

The latest track by Jan Akkerman is the best thing I've heard in ages, it really harkens back to Focus' "Moving Waves"!  
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Hi,
 
It's right up there with some great stuff of his ... it's perhaps a bit more jazzy, than it is rock music, but it is pretty and has some really nice touches ... 

Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Absolutely. Latest Strawbs album is right up there with group's best works in the '70s.

I've enjoyed this band since "Hero and Heroine" and then "Ghosts" ... and have kept in touch with just about everything since ... for some reason, probably because I don't have the CD's!!! ... the earlier stuff did not grab me as much.

On the new album there are at least 2 or 3 pieces worth while ... typical of Strawbs material ... what amounts to 2 or 3 great things and then 2 or 3 things that you and I will likely say ... hmmmm ... but it is a very nice album.


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Originally posted by progmatic progmatic wrote:

Strawbs


Absolutely. The Ferryman's Curse is very good.

agreed.  I can't quite say it's as good as the Grave New World thru Ghosts period but it's very good for sure.  I think if the title track had a more memorable Strawbs like melody then I would be calling it a great album
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Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

David Bowie’s swansong Blackstar is one of the finest albums of this sort and truly stands shoulder to shoulder with his 70s oevre - some of it even giving a musical nod towards the olden days. I listened to it last night and was yet again completely blown away by this elderly man’s album.
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I love Bowie and I love Blackstar. I'm still so sad he's gone, but what a high note to go out on. It's my album of the millennium.

Yeah me too. I got all choked up whilst listening to Lazarus
The man’s music has followed me since I was 10 or so.
Still strange that he’s no longer here.

Blackstar though is a very rare accomplishment in that it genuinely sounds like an album spawned in the mind of someone who is still naive and childlike in his way around music. It is so rare you get that from musicians, especially successful musicians, 45 years into their career.

Franco Battiato’s from 2014 is like that as well imho. Mixes his early progressive rock albums with a contemporary type of electronica. Still get those poignant and wafting dove-like vocals as well as the slow oozing organs.
Perhaps not as great as Blackstar..but a damn fine album that takes it’s cue from the olden days..in a completely different light.
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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

ABWH sounded of it's time though. Sure it had long songs and a prog influence but not as blatantly a return to the old prog sound as KTA was. It was similar to ELP(with Powell)'s 80's album that way. Prog sound but not a blatant return to the seventies just a tip of the hat to it. All IMO. Ok, now I'm done. :)
 

3 - To the Power of Three was much more of an attempt to sound "modern" compared to ELPowell.

The 1986 album is better. Much better. "The Score" sounds about as "ELP" as you can get, too. They also included a classical cover. What the album lacks is a side-length piece, or suite.
 
 

Greg Lake actually addressed that at the time and regarded Side One as something that was continuous and you could strap the headphones on and immerse yourself . Personally my main issue with that album was there was so little Organ but for that little tease on the third track. Also the 'shouting' was not good for my ears!
I much preferred Black Moon.
Three To The Power Of Three at least had Desde La Vide but mostly was boring AOR.
 

The first side of A would work better for me as a suite if "The Score" and "The Miracle" had something else connecting them. "Learning to Fly" is an alright song. I far prefer "Touch and Go," but moving it would weaken Side B a bit (and I even like "Love Blind" and "Step Aside"). 

I played the hell out of Black Moon when I first got it! I was so happy they were back. So glad I saw them at the Wiltern Theater in L.A. The set was almost everything you could expect from them. The energy in the venue was very high. I've no idea who he was, but this one cat up by the front had this amazing leather jacket with the huge ELP on the back and keyboards (octaves) running along both sleeves. 
 

Reflects me own feelings as well. I saw them in Bristol and it was almost 'unreal' . Palmer with his now very small kit (well compared to that half ton monster of the seventies anyway) and a slightly Spinal Tap vibe to the backdrop (an attempt at creating a Roman colosseum feel). They played perfectly for 2 hours and we all swayed to Fanfare quite happily!
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