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dr wu23
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A solid list...........,I don't know about several of the RPI things...never warmed up to it ,and Kind Of Blue is simply not prog rock, and as Richard said sneak in the ELP debut.
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richardh
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I actually love Danger Money . 3 piece format and Bozzio does the powerhouse drummer thing as well as anyone. However the debut though is more 'progressive' as it blends fusion and symphonic. I checked and its only the 6th ranked 1978 album which is a little strange. Perhaps it's just too eclectic musically for many conservative music tastes. I also suspect it failed to reach it's target audience which was too hung up on ELP, Yes and Genesis, even in 1978 when things were changing rapidly.
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Miles Davis is not Prog!!!
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Aye....seconded...neither is fecking talking heads... |
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Psychedelic Paul
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"Thirded." Neither are The Police.
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Still, at least IMO, the list makes as much sense as the ratings on Metacritic. It's pointless. The thing about reading reviews is to have some context. Like, what kinda music the reviewer likes, their style of rating etc. If you throw all that away and leave just the collective numebrs, there's just that. A meaningless number.
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Solid list I would add ELP debut and VDGG Pawn Hearts
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richardh
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^ 13. Van Der Graaf Generator – Pawn Hearts |
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moshkito
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Hi, It is "Prog" in the sense that its creativity is quite out there, and not stuck on a beat or form. However, it ain't "Prog" just because it doesn't have the RW organ, or ELP keyboards, or a CS bass? C'mon ... "Prog" is about newer music and its inventive flow ... and Miles deserves to be mentioned, however it needs to be placed within a "jazz" context, not a rock music context. But cold day in heck that jazz will even consider a term like "Progressive" or "Prog". Creativity is left handed, right handed, upper handed and under handed ... and us simply saying that only a left handed counts, in the end, we are ... can't even put words on it, but after a while it's hard to feel that this is about "creativity", instead of a cookie cutter format of some kind ... at least, Miles did not exactly have a format for us to follow ... and many of us wish that more rock music did that and was not afraid of nit-pickers that only like melody and hate the rest of music!
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M27Barney
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Er...OK EVERY BAND who ever performed is prog....scrap this site immediately.... |
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Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Miles Davis--in all his dozen or so incarnations. But, so long as PA refuses to exclude Miles's pre-In a Silent Way albums from its database (whatever happened to Max's "JazzArchives" site?) I will continue to include his albums as posted just to pour salt on the wound!
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I LOVE your perspective, Ian! Very refreshing and exciting! Perhaps this is the way to go! |
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^Honestly, Moshkito was the catalyst for keeping it to one album per band. I just ran the report and kicked out all the repeats. It is definitely nice to see some of the 2nd tier bands.
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Already somebodies mentioned all the Kraut-albums missing on the list, but not also any Canterbury classics and really no Magma, Procol, Moodies, Traffic or Family-albums! Instead too many Italian prog albums to my personal opinion, I just haven´t ever understand what´s so great in Italian prog.
My list: 1. Wigwam: Fairyport 2. Pink Floyd: Atom Heart Mother 3. King Crimson: Court 4. Jethro Tull: Thick as A Brick 5. Family: Music In a Doll´s House 6. Traffic: Mr. Fantasy 7. Magma: s/t 8. Faust: Faust IV 9. Comus: First Utterance 10. Can: Tago-Mago 11. Caravan: s/t 12. Yes: Fragile 13. Genesis: the Lamb Lies Down On Broadway 14. Procol Harum: Shine On Brightly 15. the Moody Blues: In Search Of Lost Chord 16. Tasavallan Presidentti: Lambert Land 17. Haikara: Geafar 18. Kevin Ayers: Whatevershebringswesing 19. Roy Harper: Lifemask 20. The Mother Of Invention: We´re Only In It For the Money 21. Van Der Graaf Generator: Pawn Hearts 22. Colosseum: Valentyne Suite 23. Amon Düül II: Tanz Der Lemminge 24. Soft Machine: Volume Two 25. Arco Iris: Agitor Lucens V 26. Rush: Hemispheres 27. Harmonium: Si On Avait... 28. Samla Mammas Manna: Måltid 29. Kalevala: People No Names 30. Los Jaivas: Cancion Del Sur And these all are masterpieces to me! Edited by Mortte - May 30 2020 at 23:07 |
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^ PFM really , and then its the first 3 or 4 albums only after that it's a lot of keyboard/symphonic prog really that is good but not as good as ELP , Rick Wakeman, Trace and a good few others in my opinion although a lot of it is decent neverthless. If you want ELP without the bombast then there is a lot of good stuff. Bold list although Pawn Hearts is probably the only one that would make my list whether sticking to one album per artist rule or not. Btw have you heard the Aphrodite's Child album 666? I do feel that album is too often overlooked and for the life of my I'll never understand why. |
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I think there is just so much overlooking of the sixties-seventies great music these days, people just like to listen their few Zeppelin albums over & over again. Edited by Mortte - May 31 2020 at 06:23 |
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Hi, It has nothing to do with the website, unless you feel that it is the site's fault that you and I are here, which it isn't! The only concern, and it just shows where you stand, is that your definition of "prog" and "progressive" is more about your favorites than it is about a reality in the music ... so go ahead and call yourself "progressive" ... I have 47 years of pushing this music with me, and you can't say anything about my trip ... except that you don't believe it because it is not showing the RW keyboards, the CS bass, or the bullmerde drums on it, simply because it is in the "definition" that those must be there. For your information music has been in a "progressive" mode for at least 500 years ... but your knowledge is limited to a couple of days in that equation.
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moshkito
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Hi, As do I, however, if you go back to the start of the thread I was the one that asked for 30 bands, not albums. AND THANK YOU TAP ... I'm not one for these kinds of lists as there are too many things I love dearly that won't make it to the list ... and I find it best to respect the music, by not suggesting that one thing is better than another! They are all great ... and I like the idea of giving other artists a lot more respect that they deserve and are not getting in a kid's like poll!
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Hi, To my ears, a lot of "Italian" prog has its roots in classical music, if we are to look at some of the compositions as a composition, and not a rock song in three or four parts only. And a lot of these bands did bits and pieces of classical music here and there, to show for it, and I think this was a big finger in the sky to the elder statesmen that would not hire these kids to an orchestra or did anything more original than another revival of a Verdi or Puccini opera ... sort of like NY redoing yet another revival of the poopiest musical you can think of -- and then even try to insult your intelligence by inserting a famous pop star to get more tickets sold ... and of course, it crashed ... fast! BANCO, for example, without mentioning the words, in composition style is extremely classical, and NOT given to just doing a rock song for the radio ... this was about what they saw, not anything else, and even though many of us loved Giacomo and his wonderful operatic voice, guess what ... it was not only Giacomo ... Vittorio's version of the band in their last album is magnificent ... but won't get any kind of an ear here, because people have to have the RW keyboards, the KE pyrotechnics, the CS bass, and the poorest drumming this side of BB. The things from Italy that try to copy the "standard" modes of music, usually do not go very far, which tells you that there is a solid appreciation for original music over there ... not a copy of the original hits with the same keyboards and bass ... reminds me of the opening to "The World Became The World" album ... when they ripped it to the max ... that would have been their sort of tip of the hat to the big 5, and then over and out ... their music and first albums were magnificent and deserved the accolades it got ... however just calling it "progressive" this and that ... takes away the most important factor of enjoying music, specially in this case ... it is totally outstanding material and beautifully written and the proof is that 45 years later we are still playing it!
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moshkito
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Hi, It is a nice list, but I think part of the problem with it is exactly what you mention ... "not as good as..." which tends to suggest that no one can create music like those folks did ... of course not ... but the instruments are pretty much the same the world over, so some sounds will also appear elsewhere! This is the main reason why I do not compare anyone to RW of KE, or any other keyboard player out there ... it doesn't say anything about the creativity that some of these other folks put together! AC ... my sisters had been in Europe in 1968 and such, and they brought home the two AC albums, and I had already heard and knew well (even before the 666 album ... which sent me after all the Irene Pappas films I could find!!!) way before I got into the music that became known as "progressive" ... around 1972 and a half or so ... when in one day, I ended up hearing over 10 bands (mostly on the Harvest label, btw) and a year later the same label had stuff out from Europe just as good and great! So for me, I had already seen the Beatles and Rolling Stones fame thing, and I didn't like it ... it was like they could do anything they wanted and everyone would think it was great ... and some of it wasn't, specially the RS. And when a couple of band hit it big in America ... gads ... I already had YES's first 2 albums, I already had The Nice's albums ... and the new things ... were just that ... the new things! To me, it was a natural progression for those artists ... not some sort of seminal artistic this and that ... because I could not compare a lot of this music to 40K books and history of Portuguese, Brazilian and Spanish Literature ... and its' like saying that only Don Quixote is worth it, and the rest is just merde ... and it is not true at all, and all one is saying is ... they don't know anything about the rest! And I, don't like to use that parallel with folks here, because they have a lot of knowledge in a lot of music, that even you and I don't. But the cookie cutter thing, really hurts what "progressive music" is meant to be, specially for us elders ... we should not be saying ... sounds like ...
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