Tormato vs. And Then there Were Three

And then there were 3 ----as Banks said with Hackett contributions on it would have been a real classic---(Burning Rope)---I love opening and closing songs (think opening jam on Silent wings is awesome) and Onward on Tormato but band was falling apart and running out of ideas. On Three-- Genesis was trying to prove something.

Definitely ...And Then There Were Three.

Both albums have different flaws but in the end, the main meat of the music is really nice.

ATTW3 is one of the very few Genesis albums (the others being "Trick" and "Wuthering") which I can listen to from beginning to end without cringing at the "theatrical vocals" (cuz Phil Collins' voice IMO was far superior to Peter Gabriel's when it comes to Genesis). The only problem I have with ATTW3 is Follow You, Follow Me. I just don't like that song.

Now, Tormato. The songs are alright but they sometimes do feel cheesy. However, Madrigal I can listen to on repeat. It's just crazy how good it is.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: ATTWT is actually one of their most solid albums imo from start to finish so I can understand it beating Tormato especially since that's considered one of their weakest(if not THE weakest)albums up to that point.

AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: verslibre wrote: AFlowerKingCrimson wrote: ATTWT is actually one of their most solid albums imo from start to finish so I can understand it beating Tormato especially since that's considered one of their weakest(if not THE weakest)albums up to that point. I've never understood why Tormato is considered "weak." No, it's not quite as good as G4T1 or Drama, but it's good. "On the Silent Wings of Freedom," "Future Times" and "Arriving UFO" are great Yessongs. The "Whale" song is the only one I skip because I've heard it so many times. I think what weighs it down for most people is Wakeman's keyboards. That's one of the complaints I hear the most often. Also, "circus of heaven" is seen by many as being particularly weak. I guess to a lesser extent "release, release" and "madrigal" also.

ATTWT. Love that album.

I don't bother with Tormato. It's so weak, sandwiched between the great GFTO and Drama, it's a poor sandwich filling. To get all Spinal Tap about it, it's a sh*t sandwich.

ATTWT is an excellent transitional album, with indredible highs, and yes, some lows, but once again Genesis survive the loss of a key member, with relative ease. Down & Out, Undertow and Deep in the Motherlode are among my favourite Genesis songs.

Genesis a KABILLION times better.

tdfloyd wrote: ATTW3 is a very good album.  Tormato is a mess

And then there were 3 has some awsome prog songs. In some parts this album sounds like Genesis doing ELP (or at least I like thinking that in my head because of the keyboard led trio format).

I’ll never understand why Tormato gets so much stick ?? Is it Wakeman’s shrill Polymoog ?? Is it the Birotron ?? Sure, the songwriting may not be as ambitious as previous material but it’s more good than bad.
ATTWT is still awesome Genesis (in a more ‘compact’ way).