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    Posted: July 19 2020 at 07:10
I am at the moment listening this after some years pause. Although I donīt think this album is in my top50 all time albums, I have always liked this quite much! I have heard also Lordīs Gemini Suite & Windows, but didnīt like them as much as this. I like quite much Niceīs Five Bridges of the same year, but I think this is better. And really I think this is the most prog album of Purple! Also I think this is the last album that has something same as their interesting three first albums (feeling?). If I have understood right, this isnīt the highest rated album among the Purple-fans, really I donīt believe also classical music listeners will rate this high. Somehow I think this is also little bit forgotten these days, at least I think somebodies were thinking Metallica doing something first time with their boring S & M- project.

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Very good effort of blending Rock with Orchestra. I have this on VHS, haven’t watched for decades, maybe it’s decayed by now....? Not enough of Gillan. Lord’s solo is awesome (as always).
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I prefer Five Bridges by the Nice but do enjoy sections of the Purple album. Kudos to conductor Malcolm Arnold for 'bullying' a committed performance out of the notoriously dismissive Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
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I like the original recording where things are a bit rough and ragged and there is some antagonism between the rock and classical worlds.
Later recordings that are more polished are not as appealing to me. These days, classical musicians are raised on rock and rock musicians go to high brow music schools.There is no longer a chance for the old cultural abrasion.

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Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

I prefer Five Bridges by the Nice but do enjoy sections of the Purple album. Kudos to conductor Malcolm Arnold for 'bullying' a committed performance out of the notoriously dismissive Royal Philharmonic Orchestra
Gioachino Rossini made the perceptive comment, "Wagner has beautiful moments but bad quarters of an hour."

I look at the Deep Purple album in much the same manner. Many of the orchestral passages are splendid (followed by inexplicable lengths of diddling around), and I really enjoy the sections where band and symphony interact; However, the extended leads by Blackmore are sloppy and are jarringly out of place. Strange as well that Ian Gillan was only allowed a couple minute vocal segment. Still, you have to admire Jon Lord's chutzpah, and as you said, Malcolm Arnold's influence was immeasurable in getting a cohesive and enthusiastic performance.
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^ The Blackmore solo went much longer than it was supposed to, apparently Ritchie was angry because he thought the classical musicians were coping an attitude towards the rockers.
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^ I'm watching the concert right now on my Jon Lord tribute thread. I noticed Deep Purple did get some funny looks from some members of the orchestra, which the cameras inevitably zoomed in on. Smile
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Thanx for the great posts here, glad to notice here is love for this album! Just watched there is 293 ratings in PA, so not the most listened album here as I already thought.
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Deep Purple's Concerto for Group & Orchestra in 1969 is a highly-rated four-star album for me, but the album that's without doubt a genuine five-star album is Jon Lord's Concerto for Group & Orchestra in 2012. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

Deep Purple's Concerto for Group & Orchestra in 1969 is a highly-rated four-star album for me, but the album that's without doubt a genuine five-star album is Jon Lord's Concerto for Group & Orchestra in 2012. Thumbs Up

Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

I like the original recording where things are a bit rough and ragged and there is some antagonism between the rock and classical worlds.
Later recordings that are more polished are not as appealing to me. These days, classical musicians are raised on rock and rock musicians go to high brow music schools.There is no longer a chance for the old cultural abrasion.

I would never dare to undermine your personal preferences Paul, but I think Easy Money makes a very perceptive point here i.e. in the context of the eventual happy marriage of Rawk and classical, there were several torrid extra marital affairs that scandalized the parents of the betrothed. Tongue


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^ Yes, things have changed a lot since 1969 and we now have the happy marriage of Rock and Classical in the form of Symphonic Prog. Smile
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Don't know entirely how to regard it to be honest. It's a daring idea of course, but not necessarily that well executed. Deep Purple for me is about In Rock, Fireball and Machine Head first and foremost. This is where they really hit something special.
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3 Pretty cool tunes. Purple are close to being a top 10 band of the late 60s to mid 70s period. I’d pick them ahead of Yes, Genesis, Crimson and Floyd without a doubt from the 68-75 period

Edited by dr prog - July 22 2020 at 16:51
All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Originally posted by dr prog dr prog wrote:

3 Pretty cool tunes. Purple are close to being a top 10 band of the late 60s to mid 70s period. I’d pick them ahead of Yes, Genesis, Crimson and Floyd without a doubt from the 68-75 period
Well, not to me. From heavy metal bands of sixties/seventies Sabbath & Zeppelin has always been bigger to me than Purple, Heep is quite the same level as Purple (and really Yes, Genesis, Crimson & specially Floyd are MUCH bigger than any seventies heavy bands). Anyway listened Purple quite much, just because it was one of those bands listened a lot in the seventies in Finland, so also my brothers listened it. And I got almost all their seventies albums as vinyls in the begin of nineties, just because one older guy sold them to me very cheap (as many then he sold all his vinyls and bought CD:s). But some reason he hasnīt got this one, so this and "Come Taste the Band" are still missing into my collection. I just wanted to know what people are thinking about this album here.

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Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

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I just wanted to know what people are thinking about this album here.

Hi,

I think it is a really good effort. Just find it sad that some folks insist that a bunch of rock folks can't do real music except the songs that fans seem to like too much!

I've always wished for more of these by others as well, to find a way to stream line the number of folks trashing things, but the media helped kill anything that did not show the big sales, and the average DP fan, it seems, did not like the original album much and even the folks at the station in Santa Barbara, never EVER, toughed that album ... I wonder if they ever removed the cellophane!
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I've the DVD Audio and the film on DVD. Absolutely terrific album under culturally difficult circumstances.

The Malcolm Arnold Symphony is a well performed slightly jazzy piece. The Purple rock numbers are also well done. Blackmore also jazz inflecting his Child solo. He improvises his Concerto solo. The Jon Lord commentary is quite droll. The camera is on Malcolm Arnold frantically trying to find the solo and it's end on the score.

As good as this concerto is, the 1999 performance is sublime, 2 CD and DVD. The orchestra are into it, the band are just fantastic that is really what I think.

This is the Purple that gets ignored by the heavy metal fans. As well as the Gemini Suite, Purple's own version.

Great piece from Jon Lord but the story of the 1999 version is interesting. Lord had lost his original score. A Dutch fan transcribed the whole first movement from the video, watching the orchestra fingers. This story is in the book of the Concerto. Lord was so inspired he managed to reconstitute the whole thing and bring on one of the most sublime musical feasts in a long time and for a long time. Getting Ronnie Dio as a guest on the orchestral Smoke was inspired and the new orchestral versions of the then new ballads was and is outstanding.

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