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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So does Amon Duul II become Amon Dull IIor;)

nope, most importantly because it is "Amon Düül II" with the umlaut "ü". it is a common mistake of native English speakers to think you can just leave out the dots above the umlauts "ä", "ö" and "ü", it won't make any difference. the best example is the difference between "ächten" (to ostracize) and "achten" (to respect). another example would be "währen" (to last) and "wahren" (to preserve). examples for "ü" and "ö" are the differences between "lügen" (to lie, as in not telling the truth) and "lugen" (looking carefully out of a safe place) or "spülen" (to rinse, to flush) and "spulen" (to reel) for "ü" or "lösen" (to solve) and "losen" (to draw lots) or "schön" (beautiful) and "schon" (already) for "ö"

It's not so much that I intentionally left them out as it is that I'm just plain lazy. Tongue I didn't feel like looking them up. It's the same with Anglagard. I have searched online for umlauts before but I figure only a few nitpicky folks would make a big deal about it. Wink Typically it's more trouble than what it's worth. Thanks for the lesson regardless though. It's always good to learn new things. Smile 




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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So does Amon Duul II become Amon Dull IIor;)

nope, most importantly because it is "Amon Düül II" with the umlaut "ü". it is a common mistake of native English speakers to think you can just leave out the dots above the umlauts "ä", "ö" and "ü", it won't make any difference. the best example is the difference between "ächten" (to ostracize) and "achten" (to respect). another example would be "währen" (to last) and "wahren" (to preserve). examples for "ü" and "ö" are the differences between "lügen" (to lie, as in not telling the truth) and "lugen" (looking carefully out of a safe place) or "spülen" (to rinse, to flush) and "spulen" (to reel) for "ü" or "lösen" (to solve) and "losen" (to draw lots) or "schön" (beautiful) and "schon" (already) for "ö"

It's not so much that I intentionally left them out as it is that I'm just plain lazy. Tongue I didn't feel like looking them up. It's the same with Anglagard. I have searched online for umlauts before but I figure only a few nitpicky folks would make a big deal about it. Wink Typically it's more trouble than what it's worth. Thanks for the lesson regardless though. It's always good to learn new things. Smile

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  1. ä : Alt + 0228.
  2. ö : Alt + 0246.
  3. ü : Alt + 0252.
  4. Ä : Alt + 0196.
  5. Ö : Alt + 0214.
  6. Ü : Alt + 0220.


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^Thank you very much Baldjean. Hopefully I can use them next time I mention a certain Swedish prog band from the 90's also. ;)
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^Nope. I just tried it and it didn't work. So if next time I have to mention one of these bands that requires an umlaut(I will just say umlauts acknowledged). Plus I'll just say AD2 and you'll know who I mean. If I am able to figure it out and it works on here then I will do so but if I'm not then please try not to get too angry about it. It's not meant to be disrespectful to you or the band or the language. ;) I will try again though.
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^Ok, I think the problem was I wasn't using the number pad that is to the right of the main keyboard. ;)

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yep, you have to use the numeric keypad for the numbers


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My tastes are definitely all over the board. I don't have any preference for any one section.
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I love the responses to this--as well as the premise behind it's inception! 

I definitely gravitate to center and away from the Green and away from the extreme eccentrics.

I think my quadrants would be titled something like:  "melodic," "dissonant" or "angular," "straightforward" or "simple,"  and "dark" or "challenging."


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I think I understand hard and soft as references but dull and enlightened  don't really work as reference points for me....and many of the bands placements are wrong imho based on your categories.

KC dull...? Soft Machine hard...?
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softandwet is French, and this is probably a translation from the french "mat" (or "mate", depending on gender of the noun it is used with), which can mean "dull" as well as "dark". I guess that from the counterpart "enlightened", which is probably translated from "éclairé" (or "éclairée", again depending on gender of the noun it is used with)


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So does Amon Duul II become Amon Dull IIor;)

nope, most importantly because it is "Amon Düül II" with the umlaut "ü". it is a common mistake of native English speakers to think you can just leave out the dots above the umlauts "ä", "ö" and "ü", it won't make any difference. the best example is the difference between "ächten" (to ostracize) and "achten" (to respect). another example would be "währen" (to last) and "wahren" (to preserve). examples for "ü" and "ö" are the differences between "lügen" (to lie, as in not telling the truth) and "lugen" (looking carefully out of a safe place) or "spülen" (to rinse, to flush) and "spulen" (to reel) for "ü" or "lösen" (to solve) and "losen" (to draw lots) or "schön" (beautiful) and "schon" (already) for "ö"

It's not so much that I intentionally left them out as it is that I'm just plain lazy. Tongue I didn't feel like looking them up. It's the same with Anglagard. I have searched online for umlauts before but I figure only a few nitpicky folks would make a big deal about it. Wink Typically it's more trouble than what it's worth. Thanks for the lesson regardless though. It's always good to learn new things. Smile

for future use:
  1. ä : Alt + 0228.
  2. ö : Alt + 0246.
  3. ü : Alt + 0252.
  4. Ä : Alt + 0196.
  5. Ö : Alt + 0214.
  6. Ü : Alt + 0220.

Different for Mac users by the way. Or if there's no number pad. I know them because I'm a pedantic tool hehe. I appreciated the vocab tidbits. I've been interested in learning German.
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Originally posted by Awesoreno Awesoreno wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

So does Amon Duul II become Amon Dull IIor;)

nope, most importantly because it is "Amon Düül II" with the umlaut "ü". it is a common mistake of native English speakers to think you can just leave out the dots above the umlauts "ä", "ö" and "ü", it won't make any difference. the best example is the difference between "ächten" (to ostracize) and "achten" (to respect). another example would be "währen" (to last) and "wahren" (to preserve). examples for "ü" and "ö" are the differences between "lügen" (to lie, as in not telling the truth) and "lugen" (looking carefully out of a safe place) or "spülen" (to rinse, to flush) and "spulen" (to reel) for "ü" or "lösen" (to solve) and "losen" (to draw lots) or "schön" (beautiful) and "schon" (already) for "ö"

It's not so much that I intentionally left them out as it is that I'm just plain lazy. Tongue I didn't feel like looking them up. It's the same with Anglagard. I have searched online for umlauts before but I figure only a few nitpicky folks would make a big deal about it. Wink Typically it's more trouble than what it's worth. Thanks for the lesson regardless though. It's always good to learn new things. Smile

for future use:
  1. ä : Alt + 0228.
  2. ö : Alt + 0246.
  3. ü : Alt + 0252.
  4. Ä : Alt + 0196.
  5. Ö : Alt + 0214.
  6. Ü : Alt + 0220.

Different for Mac users by the way. Or if there's no number pad. I know them because I'm a pedantic tool hehe. I appreciated the vocab tidbits. I've been interested in learning German.

on a mac, you simply hold the "option" (or "alt") key down while pressing the letter "u". you must hold the "option" key, not just press it once. then release and press the letter you want the umlaut over ("a", "o" or "u"). a total of two keystrokes: "option-u", then "a" = "ä" (or then "o" = "ö" or "u" = "ü" respectively)


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You could put ELP in any of the categories . BSS was as 'dark' as anything out there in 1973. They could be a very soft band ie Take a Pebble and also 'enlightened' Trilogy. It just makes me realise we have an oppressive need to label music when it's not necessary!
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

My prog compass is definitely in the yellow Soft & Enlightened box, as Genesis, Renaissance, Camel and Yes are all long-term favourites of mine. I don't know about Locanda delle Fate in the same box as I haven't heard of them before, but I'm sure I'd like them if I heard them. Smile

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Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


My prog compass is definitely in the yellow Soft & Enlightened box, as Genesis, Renaissance, Camel and Yes are all long-term favourites of mine. I don't know about Locanda delle Fate in the same box as I haven't heard of them before, but I'm sure I'd like them if I heard them. Smile


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In other words, they're AWESOME!!!


Do you have any examples other than Locanda Delle Fate?
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^ Cherry Five is the Italian band that comes to mind when I think of Yes.
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Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

^ Cherry Five is the Italian band that comes to mind when I think of Yes.


Same.


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

where do bands like Gong, Hawkwind, Amon Düül II, Can or Embryo fit in your opinion?

In another dimension? Wink
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Originally posted by softandwet softandwet wrote:

Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:


My prog compass is definitely in the yellow Soft & Enlightened box, as Genesis, Renaissance, Camel and Yes are all long-term favourites of mine. I don't know about Locanda delle Fate in the same box as I haven't heard of them before, but I'm sure I'd like them if I heard them. Smile


One of the few Italian bands that took their cue from Yes rather than say Jethro Tull, Genesis or VDGG.

In other words, they're AWESOME!!!


Do you have any examples other than Locanda Delle Fate?
Yes, England sound very much like Yes too. Smile
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Looks nice, but I hope you will put some Kraut also there (for example Faust, Can, Amon Düül II & Agitation Free).
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