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    Posted: August 17 2020 at 11:11
 I was looking at the 10 Ten Progressive Band thread going around now. 
 When I was trying to make my selection and figure out what order to put them 
 in I realized I had to balance out bands that had a lot of very good, but not necessarily great material vs 
 bands may have fewer songs I like , but the ones I like are outstanding.

 So where do you fall on the Quality vs Quantity discussion?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lewian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 17 2020 at 11:21
I'd say a certain minimum quantity is required to qualify. Talk Talk are in my personal big 6. They have five albums of which I don't like the first one a lot, and the second one is pretty good but not at top level. Numbers 3, 4, 5 are in my top, dunno, 50? albums of all time, and that's good enough. Based on two stellar albums I wouldn't allow a band in. (On the other hand, Art Zoyd, another one of my heroes, have a catalogue that is bigger than that of all original RIO bands combined, which I also count in their favour.)

Ultimately I'd compare bands on their best 3-5 albums, with an added bonus if bands have more than 5 at that level. So-so material on top of that wouldn't influence my decision in either direction.

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Ideally, I'm looking for both Quantity AND Quality, and my Top 10 prog bands have all recorded at least 10 albums each, and with the exception of Mostly Autumn, they've all been around for fifty years or more, so I'm looking for Longevity too. Smile
 
1. Renaissance
2. Camel
3. Pink Floyd
4. Yes
5. Santana
6. Mostly Autumn
7. The Moody Blues
8. Barclay James Harvest
9. Genesis
10. Caravan


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Depends on the band, you look at Magma or Tangerine Dream and they have many albums of good to great quality but also some lesser albums. Whereas Henry Cow essentially have 4 studio albums and Hatfield and The North have two but those 6 are of such brilliance they can't be ignored. However I would have trouble picking a band with only one release however spectacular.

I say go with your gut, if it feels like they are great to you then that's what they are, don't apply arbitrary rules about number of releases.


Edited by Nogbad_The_Bad - August 17 2020 at 11:37
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^A band with only one spectacular release? First UK album. Sure UK continued without Holdsworth and Bruford but weren't the same. Nova Collective, a project with players from other bands, did a one off album that is killer.

So for me, quality over quantity.
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

A band with only one spectacular release?
 
Dün - Eros
Hermann Szobel - Szobel
 
are two that come to mind.
 
EDIT:
 
All Traps On Earth - A Drop Of Light
Lost Crowns - Every Night Something Happens
 
are another two that come to mind.
 
 


Edited by I prophesy disaster - August 17 2020 at 12:23
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I have both my top album and top bands, but they are not always the same. Don't get too caught up in lists and ratings, though, yours or those of others. The important thing is that you enjoy the music, and that you define what 'enjoyment' means to you. For some it is music that is intellectually stimulating to them, while to others it is the emotional charge they feel from listening. Use ratings and reviews as guides only - you do not have to like or dislike anything simply because of others.
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This is why I like Zappa. For the few recordings or albums of his I can't really get behind, there's a treasure trove more that I do enjoy, many of which were released after his death. Plus he's an interesting character and much of his stuff grew on me. I'm sure eventually there will be very little of his that I don't enjoy.
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You need quantity and consistent quality.

So my top 10 bands (prog and non-prog*)

1) Camel
2) Runrig*
3) IQ
4) Horslips
5) Mostly Autumn
6) Wolfstone*
7 Strawbs
8) Marillion
9) Genesis
10) Riverside

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Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

So where do you fall on the Quality vs Quantity discussion?

Quality is in the eye, err ear, of the beholder. My quality may be someone else trash so I don't have a problem with quantity. 
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

^A band with only one spectacular release? First UK album. Sure UK continued without Holdsworth and Bruford but weren't the same. Nova Collective, a project with players from other bands, did a one off album that is killer. 

So for me, quality over quantity.

My point was only one release however spectacular not more than one release of which one is spectacular, I'm thinking more of Weidorje, Dun, Hermann Szobel and the like. I personally wouldn't consider any of those for a top 10 best of all time list on the basis of only releasing one album.

Originally posted by I prophesy disaster I prophesy disaster wrote:

Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

A band with only one spectacular release?
 
Dün - Eros
Hermann Szobel - Szobel
 
are two that come to mind.
 
EDIT:
 
All Traps On Earth - A Drop Of Light
Lost Crowns - Every Night Something Happens
 
are another two that come to mind.
 
 

All Traps On Earth & Lost Crowns are likely to release follow up albums so don't really count. Dun & Szobel are great examples as would be Weidorje. 
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Depends on the band, you look at Magma or Tangerine Dream and they have many albums of good to great quality but also some lesser albums. Whereas Henry Cow essentially have 4 studio albums and Hatfield and The North have two but those 6 are of such brilliance they can't be ignored. However I would have trouble picking a band with only one release however spectacular.

I say go with your gut, if it feels like they are great to you then that's what they are, don't apply arbitrary rules about number of releases.

Anglagard is another one that comes to mind. 
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Quality. Quantity makes things extra great, but look at all the greatest Italian prog bands and compare how many of them only put out one or two albums (often only one during their original heyday) to how many managed to stick around long enough to assemble something of a full catalogue. 
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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

You need quantity and consistent quality.




Yeah...this is where I am as well. 

As much as love, say Hatfield & The North's two albums, I would never put them in my top 10 bands, just because there are other bands that produced similar ranked material, just more of it. More of high quality will always be ranked higher than less of high quality in my mind. 

I also feel I must count a band's entire discography, so if they have say 3 great albums out of 12, they will rank much lower overall, even if I love those three albums dearly. 
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When a band has been around for a long time, is quite obvious that they will have an extensive catalog. That also implies that some albums will have a better quality music than others, you can see that not only in the prog universe, but in other genres also. Historically, most bands reach a certain era of high creativity and inventiveness, and then they tend to go into a hit or miss period. That does not mean the music will not be good, but it will not match their high quality period.
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I think that the more albums a band/artist has, it's a better chance that there will be less quality (depending on the band, but you have to be really damn good to have consistently decent albums one after the other) with each given album.

If you're a band who only has 1 or 2 albums, and they're bangers, then they have left on a high. Kind of like a TV show that knows when to stop at season 3 or 4.

But then again, if there are even a few songs from a mountain of sub-par material that are exceptionally good, that elevates a band for me. 

So long story short...I don't know.


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First quality, of course, and then quantity too.
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I fall more on the quantity side. Often large discographies have a quality trajectory of their own - different phases of development that make them interesting to study. Maybe there are a few misfires in there, but if they’re all pieces that fit together and make a cool whole, that has value for me. Of course some level of quality/consistency is required, but overall I respect bands more that can build a rich and interesting legacy than those who put out 1-2 great albums and then disappear.

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I look for quality first. Consistency is so way overrated especially around here! Camel were probably the least inspired prog band of the seventies for me and would never make my top ten even though Mirage and the Snow Goose are undoubtedly great albums. I do like bands that take a chance and don't just peddle a 'sound'. Admittedly some bands I love were incredibly consistent but they had exceptional releases and also made some attempt to change. Rush are a great case , over a number of years they produced exceptional albums but managed consistency. I feel like I'm waffling a bit now though. I do love Big Big Train and they are probably the most consistent band of all time. When you analyse these things it just falls apart lol. 


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Originally posted by Jeffro Jeffro wrote:

Originally posted by Argo2112 Argo2112 wrote:

So where do you fall on the Quality vs Quantity discussion?

Quality is in the eye, err ear, of the beholder. My quality may be someone else trash so I don't have a problem with quantity. 

Interesting! My mind almost always defaults to "If there's a lot of it, most of it probably sucks", lol.

Quality for me all the way. U.K. is the perfect example to me; they only needed that one killer record, and it's one of my favorites of any artist in progressive rock - and you never hear about them.

Contrast with some of the bands on here with 15+ albums, where the pattern is the first four usually have their high points, a bunch of mid-tier rankings, a few 2+s, etc.

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