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Pink Floyd do Pink Floyd music. Accepting this makes them about as progressive and innovative as it gets. Whoever wants to exclude the progressive (as in "not easy to categorise") element from prog will contribute to the death of prog.
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

And this type of reasoning is the crux of the problem. We as prog fans naturally compare DSotM with the more outre prog albums that we like, such as LTiA or Hot Rats, which puts DSotM into a very commercial view. But that doesn't detract from the fact that a bizarre instrumental like "On The Run" is experimental, or that the wordless "Great Gig In The Sky" is avant garde. Commerciality has nothing to do with genre.

The same puerile mind who would equate DSotM as only a 'psychedelic' album, would also say Hotel California is only a 'country rock' album -- which it is not (the band members of The Eagles stated implicitly they moved away from their previous country rock sound). It's rather like saying Floyd's "Money" is only a blues song unless, of course, you understand the composition itself is far more sophisticated than being just this or that, particularly considering the use of Musique Concrète with a nod to Pierre Schaeffer and Stockhausen, not to mention most of the song is played in 7/4. 

That the song went to #10 as a single in the States mirrors the listening habits of record buyers at the time. At one time or another during 1973 these albums hit #1: the Moody Blues' Seventh Sojourn, War's The World is a Ghetto, Alice Cooper's Billion Dollar Babies, Zeppelin's Houses of the Holy, George Harrison's Living in the Material World, The Allman Brother's Brothers and Sisters, Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, Tull's A Passion Play, and Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. And as teenagers, we listened to all of them, and played them one after another. I guess we weren't "rock purists". LOL



 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Boboulo Boboulo wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Originally posted by Boboulo Boboulo wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

DSotM commercial?
Of course, especially if you compare TDSotM with, for example, Fripp & Eno "(No Pussyfooting)" the album released the same year.

Commercial is a derogatory term that Pink Floyd does not deserve. 
Comparing DSotM with an inaccessible album like No Pussyfooting is just wrong. Apples and oranges. 
SteveG already put "apples and oranges" (i.e. "Hotel California" and "Born to Run") in his post as an attempt to prove that TDSotM is an "experimental" album, which it is but just a little and strictly within the given framework of a commercial album such as TDSotM has been carefully created to be.
I took "(No Pussyfooting)" as an example, maybe it's extreme, okay, here I replace it with "Larks' Tongues in Aspic", also released in 1973, and what? Can LTiA be as much a "comfortable" album for the masses as TDSotM? Of course not.
And this type of reasoning is the crux of the problem. We as prog fans naturally compare DSotM with the more outre prog albums that we like, such as LTiA or Hot Rats, which puts DSotM into a very commercial view. But that doesn't detract from the fact that a bizarre instrumental like "On The Run" is experimental, or that the wordless "Great Gig In The Sky" is avant garde. Commerciality has nothing to do with genre.
Well, "The Dark Side of the Moon" is just slightly more "experimental" than e.g. "I Robot" by The Alan Parsons Project.
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Interestingly....Floyd is listed here as Psychedelic Space Rock and not in one of the named prog genres.
"Pink Floyd are listed on the Prog Archives site as belonging to the Psychedelic/Space Rock sub-genre. In reality, that period ended in the early 1970's, and they became so much more than that. For anyone wishing to explore the era of 1970's musical behemoths bestriding the rock world, The Pink Floyd are simply an essential part of that musical journey."
So why aren't they in prog related where they would fit well.....or crossover or whatever?

At any rate they are as progressive as many other bands that are on PA that get asked about their progressive aspects all the time.
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Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Interestingly....Floyd is listed here as Psychedelic Space Rock and not in one of the named prog genres.
"Pink Floyd are listed on the Prog Archives site as belonging to the Psychedelic/Space Rock sub-genre. In reality, that period ended in the early 1970's, and they became so much more than that. For anyone wishing to explore the era of 1970's musical behemoths bestriding the rock world, The Pink Floyd are simply an essential part of that musical journey."
So why aren't they in prog related where they would fit well.....or crossover or whatever?

At any rate they are as progressive as many other bands that are on PA that get asked about their progressive aspects all the time.
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And that is what I posted on page 1, the only viable question/discussion here is what sub category should Pink Floyd be listed under......not if they are progressive or not, which is ludicrous at a base level of thinking.

I doubt re-categorizing a band is a practice each genre team would approve, that would open up a massive can of worms.....PA would prolly implode Shocked Nuke
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I'm afraid that this is all part of our new "Cancel Culture." Confused
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