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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Your question technically is asking the wrong question because here on PA there is no music genre category labelled "Progressive Rock". All the categories are sub-genres of Progressive Music, they all lead up to Progressive Music, the over riding umbrella here on PA. 
Its the same thing as a Family Tree, you ultimately are connected to the top family member. So being listed here the bands can be called Progressive Music or bands that make/made progressive music.

Pink Floyd is labeled Psychedelic/Space Rock so that is really the only thing you can question if you want.....To answer your question YES they are considered Progressive Music, or in general terms they are a progressive rock band. 

Well said, I agree!  I used to grit my teeth at calling PF "Progressive," but upon years of reflection, I think they earned the label.  A progressive rock band seems right.  Albums like "Meddle" certainly fit the bill.  Cheers, C!
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Pink Floyd is a great band, either it gets the labels of being progressive or not. I quite enjoy their music and that's all I care about.


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If they're not prog rock, I don't know what they are.
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If they're not prog rock, I don't know what they are.

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The Atom Heart Mother suite should even be considered to be an avant-prog piece.
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In the seventies Floyd were not prog . Part of this was probably because they were not 'showy' enough perhaps or just way too big to be bracketed with anything else.
Prog rock was ELP , Yes , Crimson, Tull and Genesis etc.
However the jazz rock fusion stuff was also very much separate and now that gets lumped in as does Supertramp who also were never regarded as prog as I remember.
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

In the seventies Floyd were not prog . Part of this was probably because they were not 'showy' enough perhaps or just way too big to be bracketed with anything else.
Prog rock was ELP , Yes , Crimson, Tull and Genesis etc.
However the jazz rock fusion stuff was also very much separate and now that gets lumped in as does Supertramp who also were never regarded as prog as I remember.
Exactly. It should also be mentioned that back then there was a certain, not huge, but still a difference between the terms "jazz-rock" and "jazz-fusion". Thus, the bands like Brand X, Pierre Moerlen's Gong, Soft Machine, Hatfield and the North, Back Door, Mahavishnu Orchestra and Return to Forever belonged to jazz-rock that has been regarded as a part of the zeitgeist of so-called Progressive Music as a meta genre, and hence they belonged to the rock music in general, while acts like The Tony Williams Lifetime, Miles Davis (fusion era) and Weather Report belonged to the jazz-fusion as a sub-genre of Jazz (what was a blasphemy for jazz-purists at the time).
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See if you recognize anything about the soundtrack of the upcoming movie version of "Dune"


Yeah Pink Floyd's music is there but also that guy looks like Syd Barrett, isn't?
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They should get an award for most ironic rock lyric ever: "We don't need no education."   
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Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

In the seventies Floyd were not prog . Part of this was probably because they were not 'showy' enough perhaps or just way too big to be bracketed with anything else.
Prog rock was ELP , Yes , Crimson, Tull and Genesis etc.
However the jazz rock fusion stuff was also very much separate and now that gets lumped in as does Supertramp who also were never regarded as prog as I remember.
I think they were progressive just like Tull (more than Tull even), KC, Yes, ELP and Genesis. I don't know what you mean by showy, being way too big does not negate their music. JTull had massively popular albums in the US and UK with TABB and APP, charting way up and in the US APP became their 2nd #1 album......So based on history here on PA, most throw out bands that are Billboard popular, have #1 albums in the US and don't give them progressive music credit because of it. Confused

PF seems to get trashed because so many claim them to be psychedelic only, but that is progressive, and also that DSOtM charted over 900 weeks on Billboard top albums list and sold more than 40 million records.......PA  does not like popularity, but that does not mean its not prog or progressive.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

In the seventies Floyd were not prog . Part of this was probably because they were not 'showy' enough perhaps or just way too big to be bracketed with anything else.
Prog rock was ELP , Yes , Crimson, Tull and Genesis etc.
However the jazz rock fusion stuff was also very much separate and now that gets lumped in as does Supertramp who also were never regarded as prog as I remember.
I think they were progressive just like Tull (more than Tull even), KC, Yes, ELP and Genesis. I don't know what you mean by showy, being way too big does not negate their music. JTull had massively popular albums in the US and UK with TABB and APP, charting way up and in the US APP became their 2nd #1 album......So based on history here on PA, most throw out bands that are Billboard popular, have #1 albums in the US and don't give them progressive music credit because of it. Confused

PF seems to get trashed because so many claim them to be psychedelic only, but that is progressive, and also that DSOtM charted over 900 weeks on Billboard top albums list and sold more than 40 million records.......PA  does not like popularity, but that does not mean its not prog or progressive.
As many of us stated elsewhere, over and over for years, if you were there in 1973 when DSotM was released, no one called it "psychedelic". Psychedelia went out with The Doors, Beatles, Jefferson Airplane and Hendrix. It was so 60s -- cool still, but not in discussion with new music of the time. 

Floyd may have dragged out psychedelia further than most bands, but anyone listening to Dark Side of the Moon in 1973 fully realized that this was quite different from Ummagumma or even Meddle. This was Floyd "progressing" beyond endless psychedelic noodling. The sound, the cohesion, the concept was radically different from what Floyd previously released. This was not your older brother who returned from Nam and became a hippy's Floyd. And as I posted elsewhere reviewers of the time also noted the change from Floyd's old psych bit. They had progressed beyond pysch and this became more evident with Wish You Were Here and Animals. Anyone with a brain in his/her head can see the difference.

But to be honest, no one called it "prog" either. That's because no one referred to Floyd, Yes, Tull, Genesis, Zeppelin, Sabbath or The Who as anything but great rock bands. There were references to "hard rock" and then "glitter", but no one ever said in 1973, "Dude, pass the joint and put on some symphonic prog."

But in retrospect, as for all progressive rock bands, Floyd is prog now. Just as Tull is prog now. And Yes, Genesis, etc. It is a revisionist view of history and our need to put everything in bright shiny buckets so we can have lists of each band we drop in each bucket.




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They should get an award for most ironic rock lyric ever: "We don't need no education."   
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Psychedelia went out with The Doors, Beatles, Jefferson Airplane and Hendrix
It's simply not true.


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Originally posted by Boboulo Boboulo wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Psychedelia went out with The Doors, Beatles, Jefferson Airplane and Hendrix
It's simply not true.


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No offence, but are you trying really hard to annoy people? Confused


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No offence, but are you trying really hard to annoy people? Confused
Of course not, we are just discussing. This is a discussion board, isn't it? Well, If someone says untrue things out of ignorance or to substantiate their claims, it should be pointed out.
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

No offence, but are you trying really hard to annoy people? Confused
Of course not, we are just discussing. This is a discussion board, isn't it? Well, If someone says untrue things out of ignorance or to substantiate their claims, it should be pointed out.
I just meant that by saying the Doors and Hendrix weren't at all psychedelic... you have opened a can of worms. 
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Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Boboulo Boboulo wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

No offence, but are you trying really hard to annoy people? Confused
Of course not, we are just discussing. This is a discussion board, isn't it? Well, If someone says untrue things out of ignorance or to substantiate their claims, it should be pointed out.
I just meant that by saying the Doors and Hendrix weren't at all psychedelic... you have opened a can of worms. 
Jimi Hendrix was just occasionally psychedelic. Actually, he was 'Rock' (with capital 'r' and without 'roll').
Re "The Dark Side of the Moon", I would say that from "Ummagumma" onwards, a label that seems to me as the most apropriate for describing Pink Floyd could be "psychedelic art rock". 
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Originally posted by Boboulo Boboulo wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Boboulo Boboulo wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

No offence, but are you trying really hard to annoy people? Confused
Of course not, we are just discussing. This is a discussion board, isn't it? Well, If someone says untrue things out of ignorance or to substantiate their claims, it should be pointed out.
I just meant that by saying the Doors and Hendrix weren't at all psychedelic... you have opened a can of worms. 
Jimi Hendrix was just occasionally psychedelic. Actually, he was 'Rock' (with capital 'r' and without 'roll').
Re "The Dark Side of the Moon", I would say that from "Ummagumma" onwards, a label that seems to me as the most apropriate for describing Pink Floyd could be "psychedelic art rock". 
Admittedly, I wouldn't call Hendrix completely psychedelic.
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Originally posted by Boboulo Boboulo wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

Originally posted by Boboulo Boboulo wrote:

Originally posted by FatherChristmas FatherChristmas wrote:

No offence, but are you trying really hard to annoy people? Confused
Of course not, we are just discussing. This is a discussion board, isn't it? Well, If someone says untrue things out of ignorance or to substantiate their claims, it should be pointed out.
I just meant that by saying the Doors and Hendrix weren't at all psychedelic... you have opened a can of worms. 
Jimi Hendrix was just occasionally psychedelic. Actually, he was 'Rock' (with capital 'r' and without 'roll').
Re "The Dark Side of the Moon", I would say that from "Ummagumma" onwards, a label that seems to me as the most apropriate for describing Pink Floyd could be "psychedelic art rock". 

you sure like arguing.
you are worse than those users that call DSotM pop music. 



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