Pink Floyd and the Great Labeling Wars of '20 |
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SteveG
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Boboulo
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Well, I wouldn't call TDSotM "pop music", but given that I said that the label "psychedelic art rock" might be the most appropriate for their post-"Ummagumma" albums, and given that "Art Rock" is actually Pop-Rock but with a strongly expressed artistic approach, I'm not very far of it.
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FatherChristmas
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'"Art Rock" is actually Pop-Rock but with a strongly expressed artistic approach' Doesn't that make it art pop, then?
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Boboulo
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FatherChristmas
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^Ok...
Sorry, but... what are you talking about?
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"Music is the wine that fills the cup of silence" - Robert Fripp
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Spaciousmind
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Pink Floyd were amazing... In just one song Atom Heart Mother you can see where Magma (Zeuhl 13:30 into song) , Gong and Krautrock, Jazz, Eclectic got a lot of their sounds from. It's like you don't need any more examples, it's all captured in one song, including Progressive Rock, symphonic... and so on.
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The Dark Elf
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I am sure the 12 people that actually bought that album might agree with you. But even so, all the releases from Amon Düül II are varyingly listed across the internet as krautrock, space rock and progressive rock. Rather like Hawkwind, multiple designations. Your asinine need to put music into little bins is tedious. Sort of like one of the great psychedelic albums of all time, In the Court of the Crimson King. Which some sites list as prog. Which is silly, because prog wasn't even invented yet.
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The Anders
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Regardless of how they are labelled, Pink Floyd is one of my favourite rock bands, and I consider Dark Side to be one of the greatest and most accomplished pieces of music in the 20th Century.
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FatherChristmas
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Same... substitute DSotM for WYWH though...
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Spaciousmind
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I think a lot of people are not listening to their albums prior Dark Side of the Moon. Atom Heart Mother, Meddle, Obscured by Clouds are as good as they come. Over the years I have listened as much to Meddle as Dark Side. Dark Side was just a commercial pinnacle for them. In my listening ears Meddle is just as good.
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The Anders
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I know WYWH is more popular here, and it's a great album for sure. However, I think it is less diverse. It is more in the same mood throughout the album, and then there are "Have a Cigar" and the title track which I find somewhat underwhelming (not bad songs in any way though). "Shine On" is of course magnificent, especially with the guitar work. DSOTM on the other hand I think is more interesting sonically, and there's a better balance between the different types of tracks (f.e. from the bluesy "Money" to the ballad "Us And Them").
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Boboulo
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Amon Düül II - "Flower of the Orient" (1976) Edited by Boboulo - September 11 2020 at 18:10 |
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The Dark Elf
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You are funny, but only in an ironic sense. Yes, psychedelia was a dead letter by 1973. Amon Düül II had no "commercial popularity". "Commercial popularity" indicates selling more than 12 albums. Amon Düül II never charted in the States or the UK. Did not even make the top 200. They ended up disbanding. Get a clue.
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Dr. Who’s on the bench. |
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Should this be a logical deductive question or an empirical inductive question? If a logical question, I side Boboulo. If an empirical question, I side with The Dark Elf. By the way, what was Gong - You? |
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At RYM, the main genres that are populating the Pink Floyd page are: Progressive Rock, Art Rock, Psychedelic Rock, Rock Opera, Psychedelic Pop, Film Soundtrack.
Sounds rather eclectic to me. Hmmmm.... |
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Boboulo
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Ash Ra Tempel - "Night Dust: Head Liner" (1974) You can't deny that the European Psychedelia has existed through the Seventies as well. Pop Masina - "Povratak zvezdama" (1973) Igra Staklenih Perli (ISP) - "Dracula's Dance" (1978) You can't deny even that the U.S. Psychedelia wasn't completely ceased in the mid-Seventies, because there were The Grateful Dead. "Blues for Allah: Sand Castles and Glass Camels / Unusual Occurrences in the Desert" (1975) |
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The Dark Elf
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Your view of psychedelia, European or American is misguided. Polka bands have a following, although they, like later psychedelic bands do not feature at all in the conversation of popular music. In fact, I'll bet polka accordionist Frankie Yankovic sold more albums worldwide than Ash Ra Tempel and Amon Düül II combined (he did, I already checked, and by several million albums and singles). Svetonio, your provincial Yugoslavian view of music has nothing to do with worldwide musical movements. The psychedelic movement as a music force was spent by 1973; in fact, for the most part it was done by 1970-71. Huge, important acts of the time like David Bowie, Alice Cooper, Deep Purple and Pink Floyd moved on from earlier psychedelic music. The post-psychedelic era had many of the more popular bands leaving psychedelia for prog, glam or hard rock, or in the case of Can and Tangerine Dream, abandoning earlier psychedelic efforts for Krautrock. Even the biggest bands like The Beatles and The Stones had moved on from their psychedelic period of the mid-60s (compare Sgt. Pepper's and The White Album to Let It Be and Abbey Road, or Between the Buttons and Their Satanic Majesties Request to Beggars Banquet and Let It Bleed -- nearly completely different styles). Additionally, your view that somehow prog music was the most popular in 1975-1975, and not the factual 1971-1975 time period shows you are clueless. As far as The Grateful Dead, they began distancing themselves from strictly psychedelia even as early as 1973's Wake of the Flood, which is an amalgam of country folk, ragtime, R&B and jazz. By 1977's Terrapin Station, the album is listed on most sites as progressive rock/jazz rock, and not psychedelic. Because it isn't. But please, keep grasping at straws, and posting videos of Yugoslavian acts that literally no is interested in but you, Svetonio. Particularly ones like Pop Mašina, who disbanded by 1978 because no one cared.
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