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This website is clear evidence that prog is not dying out. I generally listen to artists by going through them alphabetically. This is who I've added to my Prog Britannia YT Channel since September 11th:-
Jon Anderson (20 albums)
Barclay James Harvest (26 albums)
Camel (18 albums)
Deep Purple (29 albums)
Electric Light Orchestra (20 albums)
Fruupp (4 albums)
I'll have 9 albums coming up next by David Gilmour.
Well, I'm happy to see pretty much everyone saying it's not dead. My modern prog project is not a waste of time!
Likewise man! I've got some sessions booked to track an EP for my project this winter, I'm excited to share my music!
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
SteveG wrote:
Is it safe to say that prog has stabilized over the last 15-20 years?
I'd agree with that, not trending up or down.
This is a reasonable assertion IMHO.
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
Mascodagama wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
And there lies part of the problem and that is the name. Some people expect it to always be progressing. They don't expect it with classical, jazz or blues only prog rock and that's just because of the name.
I absolutely expect classical and jazz music to keep developing and evolving, and they are.
I’d say any field of musical endeavour where there is no longer any innovation is dead in a pretty meaningful sense.
Really? Even standard rock, blues, blues rock and country? I think different genres should do what they can to mix things up and be different and yes even be innovative at times but if they don't it shouldn't be seen as the end of the world. Plus, who's to say what's innovative and what isn't? What sounds like innovation to one person might just sound like a rehash to someone else and vice versa. Also, an artist could think they are being innovative and some people might think they are but really they aren't.
What's technically progress? It'd be relative to any given band's last album, right? So it'd have to be contextual.
Mascodagama wrote:
AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:
And there lies part of the problem and that is the name. Some people expect it to always be progressing. They don't expect it with classical, jazz or blues only prog rock and that's just because of the name.
I absolutely expect classical and jazz music to keep developing and evolving, and they are.
I’d say any field of musical endeavour where there is no longer any innovation is dead in a pretty meaningful sense.
I agree with constant progress being almost a given in any genre; I think when we consider artists as standing still, they're still progressing in some manner.
"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
There is some great music still being recorded and released. Progressive music, artistically, is in a great place.
I have had my first listen today of David Minasian’s new album, kindly shared by him. Utterly brilliant.
Marillion go from strength to strength. Pendragon have released their best album ever. Piles of new artists we share with each other on a daily basis.
Good music never dies. It doesn’t matter what you call it. It never dies, and there will always be great musicians making great music.
In Lazland, the glass is always half full.....
Hear, hear! I'd add Riverside - Wasteland is brilliant; This Winter Machine - The Man who Never Was is a superb album. Haken turn out good album after good album, as do Big Big Train.
The only slight downer was my (almost) favourite band IQ (except of course for Camel) releasing Resistance. Whilst not a bad album, it is my least favourite of all the albums they've done, but after the incredible Road of Bones, I can forgive them.
Prog lives. And that's 50 years on from the 70s, which shows its longevity.
Was anyone listening to 1920s music in the 1970s??
And I completely forgot York's own, very wonderful Mostly Autumn, whose last two albums (Sight of Day and White Rainbow) have been exceptional.
Is it safe to say that prog has stabilized over the last 15-20 years?
I'd agree with that, not trending up or down.
More like the past 10 years imo.
I would go back to the early 2000s. Artists like The Strawbs would never have released albums at that time if there was not fans who wanted them. Regardless of the time span, the main point is that it's popularity has stabilized. Neither gaining popularity or losing it.
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I just don't think there will be anymore progressive music made that we might compare to the glory days of 70/80s. Newer bands can record music that sounds like it but its not progressive anymore, it will only have prog attributes or tendencies, I don't want to call it copy cat recording.
The music that we hear from all these newer artists to me is just that. Riverside, Haken, The Pineapple Thief and yes Steven Wilson....its not progressive rock music anymore, but merely has prog attributes.
The foresight (probably not, but would be cool if true) of M@x and other creators of this website to call it ProgArchives~Ultimate Prog Rock Resource, makes a lot of sense to me.....at least going forward now.
My issue is as others have noted the ease of recording now has made this genre and all its sub-genres almost impossible to listen to much of it without having that young persons ADD....after 15min I'm done and feel like I need to move on to the next. I don't get fully immersed into the music anymore, which is a necessity to understand some of our music.
If I look at my entire music collection....LPs, CDs, Digital misc stuff on cassettes and R2R....not sure I have enough time (years) to listen to it all.
Do I let my tried and true suffer or do I invest precious time in exploring new music??
And there lies part of the problem and that is the name. Some people expect it to always be progressing. They don't expect it with classical, jazz or blues only prog rock and that's just because of the name.
As for the amount of music there is such a thing as having too much imo. Some prog collectors have way too many albums and will never be able to listen to it all. Some stuff maybe you don't even want to hear more than a few times but you want in your collection anyway. For me I will put a limit on it at some point. Having 10,000 or more albums is just a bit too crazy so it will be less than that(maybe half of that)but I'm not there yet.
10,000!!! Are you whacked LOL... Based on some of the music sites I am on that people discuss collections, around 1000-2000 is about what is a lot for many or a higher end avg, and I'm talking LPs. CD I have read people might have 2-3,000 because used CDs are cheap now, nobody wants them they have no resale value.
But even still, do the math....say 3000 albums and you listen to 3 albums per day that's 1000 days needed or about 3yrs to listen to it all. Be realistic in how many FULL albums you listen to in a day or say a month......say 12 full albums in a month would take you 21yrs. With family, work, responsibilities closer to that than 3yrs.
The most I had was about 1200 LPs, over the past many years I sold, traded albums for other stuff and lost couple hundred in several house moves. I've got around 700 LPs now and that is very manageable, I could sell some still. But yea there are gobs of people who are true collectors of records and CDs that buy to have more.....They will never listen to it all
No, I'm not whacked. The people who have that many are. Lol.
Actually you can easily listen to 10 or even 20 albums a week. For ten you can do five of those on the weekend(not difficult at all). I'm sure it's not too difficult to listen to ten albums in a weekend either(five on Saturday and Five on Sunday). So ten times 52 is 520. That's 520 albums a year. In five years you can listen to over 2,500 albums. Easy peasy.
True math wise, but being realistic every single weekend? Especially for those that are married and have a family?? And the real issue is will you listen to each one, meaning no repetitions....So once you listen to AC/DC it will be 5 years before you listen to them again
I just don't think there will be anymore progressive music made that we might compare to the glory days of 70/80s. Newer bands can record music that sounds like it but its not progressive anymore, it will only have prog attributes or tendencies, I don't want to call it copy cat recording.
First of all, I find it surprising that you include the 1980s in your "glory days"--especially when referring to progressive rock music.
Secondly, it feels as if you are discounting all human ingenuity that went into the modification and adaptation of computer technologies for the benefit of music. Do you think analog electronic sound modification systems superior and/or "more natural" than drum machines, Fairlight CMI, MIDI, sampling, looping, and auto-tune?
Thirdly, do the subgenres that appeared/were defined after the "glory days" not constitute progression in music? Have not Sigur Rós, Meshuggah, Mark Hollis, David Sylvian, Höyry-Kone, Yugen, Steve Hauschildt, Toby Driver, Godspeed You! Black Emperor, and Jambinai brought something new to the table?
The music that we hear from all these newer artists to me is just that. Riverside, Haken, The Pineapple Thief and yes Steven Wilson....its not progressive rock music anymore, but merely has prog attributes.
The foresight (probably not, but would be cool if true) of M@x and other creators of this website to call it ProgArchives~Ultimate Prog Rock Resource, makes a lot of sense to me.....at least going forward now.
As another poster said above, what then, constitutes "classical music" or jazz? They're just names invented for our convenience, but the do help cleanly clarify the separation of styles within our own minds. Progressive Rock just happens to be nearly synonymous with your preferred term for all "prog attribute" music of the past 40 years, "prog rock." As has been discussed to death here on PA, the experimental synthesis of multiple forms of music (Jazz, Blues/Rock n Roll, Folk, and Classical) burst onto the scene with an explosion in 1965 or 1966 and then kind of got boring or commonplace within ten years. Yet, then effects--and artists inspired by said explosion--are being felt to this day--as can be said of every other major music form. Jazz, Folk, and Classical musics are still being created to this day--creative, artistic people are still being inspired to explore these mediums of musical expression, just as they are (thankfully) in the Prog World. Whether or not one wishes to remain open to new expressions of old styles or stay to true to the original artists and "classic" works of each or any genre is a purely subjective decision. I've found that there is TONS of old music that I missed--and have been EVER SO GRATEFUL to ProgArchives for the chance of running across these artists and albums, but, at the same time, I am so excited to see and hear the personal takes and creative variations that new, younger artists CHOOSE to explore and express. The Big Bang happened, but it hasn't stopped the Universe from growing and life from evolving--it has only unleashed all possibilities!
My issue is as others have noted the ease of recording now has made this genre and all its sub-genres almost impossible to listen to much of it without having that young persons ADD....after 15min I'm done and feel like I need to move on to the next. I don't get fully immersed into the music anymore, which is a necessity to understand some of our music.
If I look at my entire music collection....LPs, CDs, Digital misc stuff on cassettes and R2R....not sure I have enough time (years) to listen to it all.
Do I let my tried and true suffer or do I invest precious time in exploring new music??
Of course you should do what you want to do! Re-live and explore the music you love till your heart is content! It'd be nice, however, if you could appreciate the joy and creative expression that others have been inspired to pursue because of the music and artists of your beloved "glory days."
Not sure I know how to respond to all of this .
You make it sound like I am slamming anything past 1980 or not giving credit to music past 1980. What years I mention is an opinion, that's all when people discuss the "glory years of progressive rock". And yes analog is a natural sound, there is no drum machine that will sound as natural as an actual real drum kit, but I have tons of music that is created electronically and not analog based and not all of it is rock based music either.
I really don't know what your 2nd red paragraph is meaning to my comment on Riverside and Steven Wilson and ProgArchives name..
And your 3rd red comment is soooo not me at all, you have me mistaken with someone else. I have recordings from the 30s-40s-50s that I enjoy as well new recordings that I know stem from the glory years and before....I take that comment negatively from you, when I buy records (I don't stream ANYTHING, I pay for 100% of all my music) it's because I have an appreciation of what the artist is trying to convey......and I show my appreciation by paying money for their music.
I listen to eight albums a day on average, which is just enough to go through my entire CD collection in one year.
Yea but aren't you like 15yrs old or something, no responsibilities but listen to music and play video games all day long ......Ohh those were teen years, gosh I played records and tapes all day long and then put headphones on at night, because adults have to sleep!
I just don't think there will be anymore progressive music made that we might compare to the glory days of 70/80s. Newer bands can record music that sounds like it but its not progressive anymore, it will only have prog attributes or tendencies, I don't want to call it copy cat recording.
The music that we hear from all these newer artists to me is just that. Riverside, Haken, The Pineapple Thief and yes Steven Wilson....its not progressive rock music anymore, but merely has prog attributes.
The foresight (probably not, but would be cool if true) of M@x and other creators of this website to call it ProgArchives~Ultimate Prog Rock Resource, makes a lot of sense to me.....at least going forward now.
My issue is as others have noted the ease of recording now has made this genre and all its sub-genres almost impossible to listen to much of it without having that young persons ADD....after 15min I'm done and feel like I need to move on to the next. I don't get fully immersed into the music anymore, which is a necessity to understand some of our music.
If I look at my entire music collection....LPs, CDs, Digital misc stuff on cassettes and R2R....not sure I have enough time (years) to listen to it all.
Do I let my tried and true suffer or do I invest precious time in exploring new music??
And there lies part of the problem and that is the name. Some people expect it to always be progressing. They don't expect it with classical, jazz or blues only prog rock and that's just because of the name.
As for the amount of music there is such a thing as having too much imo. Some prog collectors have way too many albums and will never be able to listen to it all. Some stuff maybe you don't even want to hear more than a few times but you want in your collection anyway. For me I will put a limit on it at some point. Having 10,000 or more albums is just a bit too crazy so it will be less than that(maybe half of that)but I'm not there yet.
10,000!!! Are you whacked LOL... Based on some of the music sites I am on that people discuss collections, around 1000-2000 is about what is a lot for many or a higher end avg, and I'm talking LPs. CD I have read people might have 2-3,000 because used CDs are cheap now, nobody wants them they have no resale value.
But even still, do the math....say 3000 albums and you listen to 3 albums per day that's 1000 days needed or about 3yrs to listen to it all. Be realistic in how many FULL albums you listen to in a day or say a month......say 12 full albums in a month would take you 21yrs. With family, work, responsibilities closer to that than 3yrs.
The most I had was about 1200 LPs, over the past many years I sold, traded albums for other stuff and lost couple hundred in several house moves. I've got around 700 LPs now and that is very manageable, I could sell some still. But yea there are gobs of people who are true collectors of records and CDs that buy to have more.....They will never listen to it all
No, I'm not whacked. The people who have that many are. Lol.
Actually you can easily listen to 10 or even 20 albums a week. For ten you can do five of those on the weekend(not difficult at all). I'm sure it's not too difficult to listen to ten albums in a weekend either(five on Saturday and Five on Sunday). So ten times 52 is 520. That's 520 albums a year. In five years you can listen to over 2,500 albums. Easy peasy.
True math wise, but being realistic every single weekend? Especially for those that are married and have a family?? And the real issue is will you listen to each one, meaning no repetitions....So once you listen to AC/DC it will be 5 years before you listen to them again
That's ok with me. I'm not that big into AC/DC.
Anyway, if you drive around a lot you would be surprised how much you can listen to in your car. It adds up.I personally don't like to listen to music interrupted so for me it only works on long trips but if you don't mind breaking up moving pictures or the yes album in smaller chunks where you listen to part of yours is no disgrace on the way to work and the second half on the way home or whatever then that might be ok with you. :P
Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - September 30 2020 at 15:43
I listen to eight albums a day on average, which is just enough to go through my entire CD collection in one year.
Yea but aren't you like 15yrs old or something, no responsibilities but listen to music and play video games all day long ......Ohh those were teen years, gosh I played records and tapes all day long and then put headphones on at night, because adults have to sleep!
I was 15 years old in 1974, but I couldn't play music all day back then 'cause I had to go to school, although you're right about me listening to music through headphones at night, so as not to disturb my parents.
I listen to eight albums a day on average, which is just enough to go through my entire CD collection in one year.
Yea but aren't you like 15yrs old or something, no responsibilities but listen to music and play video games all day long ......Ohh those were teen years, gosh I played records and tapes all day long and then put headphones on at night, because adults have to sleep!
I was 15 years old in 1974, but I couldn't play music all day back then 'cause I had to go to school, although you're right about me listening to music through headphones at night, so as not to disturb my parents.
I was -14 in 1974 LOL
I was going to say; there's no way Paul is only 15!
I was 15 in 2003 .
"I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021
I listen to eight albums a day on average, which is just enough to go through my entire CD collection in one year.
Yea but aren't you like 15yrs old or something, no responsibilities but listen to music and play video games all day long ......Ohh those were teen years, gosh I played records and tapes all day long and then put headphones on at night, because adults have to sleep!
I was 15 years old in 1974, but I couldn't play music all day back then 'cause I had to go to school, although you're right about me listening to music through headphones at night, so as not to disturb my parents.
My bad....who is the member that is really young?? Don't we have a prepubescent kid that hangs around here
I can't keep all our members straight anymore........
I gave up on prog in the 90s for about 15 years ( well due to work commitments I gave up on everything) but I am now playing, buying and enjoying the music for the first time since I was in my teens/ 20s. Sitting here just finished Atom Heart Mother and about to hit some Gentle Giant.
^ That happens. It's why one should avoid getting rid of their prog unless absolutely necessary (assuming you like phyz meed), and even then keep the hard-to-find stuff.
Edited by Atavachron - October 01 2020 at 15:09
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My son is 20, he's a walking encyclopedia of prog, thanks to the weird influence of his mom & dad, haha.
His favorite bands/artists: Ayreon, Mike Oldfield, Gentle Giant, Rush, Tull, Sabbath, TD, JMJ, Vangelis, etc.
His first concert ever, when he was 16, was Magma. He's also seen King Crimson, Jean-Michel Jarre (twice), Stick Men, Steven Wilson, Riverside, and a few others.
He works at a sandwich restaurant - just a couple of nights ago he was telling me a guy came in the other day and was chatting to him about music... he asked my son for a prog recommendation, and his reply was "Nektar - Remember the Future."
My son is 20, he's a walking encyclopedia of prog, thanks to the weird influence of his mom & dad, haha.
His favorite bands/artists: Ayreon, Mike Oldfield, Gentle Giant, Rush, Tull, Sabbath, TD, JMJ, Vangelis, etc.
His first concert ever, when he was 16, was Magma. He's also seen King Crimson, Jean-Michel Jarre (twice), Stick Men, Steven Wilson, Riverside, and a few others.
He works at a sandwich restaurant - just a couple of nights ago he was telling me a guy came in the other day and was chatting to him about music... he asked my son for a prog recommendation, and his reply was "Nektar - Remember the Future."
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