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    Posted: January 09 2022 at 16:35
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

All the usual suspects have been mentioned...my favorite big names would be
Uriah Heep
Rush
Porcupine Tree
Capt Beyond
but a few less well known ones I'm fond of..
Armageddon
Big Elf
Black Bonzo
Gravy Train
Lucifers Friend
Steamhammer (listed as crossover...)


Good list of lesser knowns, doc. Whatever happened to Big Elf?
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All the usual suspects have been mentioned...my favorite big names would be
Uriah Heep
Rush
Porcupine Tree
Capt Beyond
but a few less well known ones I'm fond of..
Armageddon
Big Elf
Black Bonzo
Gravy Train
Lucifers Friend
Steamhammer (listed as crossover...)
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Originally posted by Grumpyprogfan Grumpyprogfan wrote:

Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

That is very interesting, both concerning Prog and Metal history, and maybe even quite relevant for the roots of Prog Metal.
Rush is also relevant for the roots of prog metal.

Yes, very much!!
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

That is very interesting, both concerning Prog and Metal history, and maybe even quite relevant for the roots of Prog Metal.
Rush is also relevant for the roots of prog metal.
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

^ Early heavy metal was considered a part of prog but is rarely seen that way now.   Here's an interesting quote from Philip S. Walker's notes in the Warhorse CD Red Sea ;

"...Heavy Rock as a style grew out of Progressive Rock sometime in the early 1970s. The trend setters were Deep Purple and Black Sabbath" .

Now that's a perspective you don't hear anything about these days.   In hindsight it makes sense and adds a dimension to the post-Psychedelic era previously missing.

That is very interesting, both concerning Prog and Metal history, and maybe even quite relevant for the roots of Prog Metal.
Deep Purple has indeed not less than BS to be considered being among Prog pioneers.


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Going by PA's definition (btw Rush occupy the top 4 places on PA's heavy prog list!)

1. Rush - Moving Pictures
2. Porcupine Tree - Deadwing
3. The Mars Volta - Amputechture
4. Haken - Affinity
5. Headspace - All That You Fear Is Gone
6. Quatermass - s/t
7. Lone Star - Firing On All Six
8. Fields - s/t
9. Enchant - Tug Of War
X. The National Orchestra of the United Kingdom Of Goats - Vaaya and the Sea 

(btw I've never heard the last album in my list but included it for the great name and to make up to ten!)
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My three favourite bands are Rush, Anekdoten and Porcupine Tree so something like...

Permanent Waves
Moving Pictures
In Absentia
Gravity
Until All The Ghosts Are Gone
Hemispheres
Deadwing
A Farewell To Kings
Fear Of A Blank Planet
Vemod

Alternate list and these are all going by what the site here calls Heavy Prog

T2- It'll All Work Out In Boomland
Tiles- Presents Of Mind
Liquid Scarlet- Liquid Scarlet
Landberk- One Man Tells Another
Exsimio- Carbono 14
Morte Macabre- Symphonic Holocaust
Thule- Ultima Thule
Karnivool- Sound Awake
Book Of Hours- Art ToThe Blind
Elder- Lore
"The wind is slowly tearing her apart"

"Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN
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^ Early heavy metal was considered a part of prog but is rarely seen that way now.   Here's an interesting quote from Philip S. Walker's notes in the Warhorse CD Red Sea ;

"...Heavy Rock as a style grew out of Progressive Rock sometime in the early 1970s. The trend setters were Deep Purple and Black Sabbath" .

Now that's a perspective you don't hear anything about these days.   In hindsight it makes sense and adds a dimension to the post-Psychedelic era previously missing.
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Yes, I do consider Paranoid as a Heavy Prog album, and this is what I've written in my review of it:

"Looking from the perspective of 1970, Paranoid must be considered as (Heavy) Prog album, and according to what Ozzy Osbourne once said in a interview, that's how it was meant by the Sabs themselves. The music is not as complex as some other bands' from that year but it's surely very innovative and thus beyond the mainstream Rock - not to speak about Planet Caravan which influenced by Django Reinhardt, one of Tony Iommi's influences, is very jazzy. Heavy Metal as a genre was not established in 1970, even not really forming before Paranoid, so looking from the perspective of that year, the album can't be considered as a part of that genre. So historically speaking, Paranoid can't be seen as something else than (Heavy) Prog. And maybe the most correct thing to do is to consider the whole very early HM as a part of Prog. Ion Lord of Deep Purple had indeed Progressive ambitions as well, and what about Uriah Heep?"


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Fields - Fields CD (album) cover

Yang - A Complex Nature CD (album) cover

Automatic Fine Tuning A.F.T. album cover

High Tide - Sea Shanties CD (album) cover

Badger - One Live Badger CD (album) cover

Quatermass - Quatermass CD (album) cover

Rush - Permanent Waves CD (album) cover
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Lots of love for Captain Beyond's debut!  Clap  They were the very first band I ever saw on the big rock stage, and it was stunning! 

I'd suggest Amon Duul II's "Wolf City," that used to shake the dorm room walls back in the day! 
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Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Scorpions - Lonesome Crow* (not on PA)

I agree with not including Scorpions on PA, but I think, Lonesome Crow is a fine Heavy Prog album to mention.
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't consider a few bands mentioned here as heavy prog (Anekdoten, Black Sabbath, Haken, Karnivool, Porcupine Tree).

I've reconsidered my list, see my edit. Smile

This is why I haven’t participated yet. It’s a tricky one, and several people have noted that what is considered heavy prog by them (or others) is not by PA, or vice versa.

As an example that I’ve seen crop up often, a band like Porcupine Tree has changed styles numerous times. They are down as heavy prog in PA, and regardless of whether or not they have ever been heavy prog, there’s no way that every PT album is heavy prog.

My favourite PT studio album is The Sky Moves Sideways. Is that heavy prog? Some might say yes, but a lot would probably say no.

But, for argument’s sake, keeping to what PA considers heavy prog (and remembering that it might be true for some of the discography, but not necessarily all of it), my favourites would probably be from the following:

Anekdoten
Arabs in Aspic
Arcane
Battle Circus
The Bloody Mallard
Breaking Orbit
Confusion Field
D’Accord
Deformica 
Dialeto
El Doom & The Born Electric
Enfant
Ghost Medicine
Ghost Toast
Headspace
Karmamoi 
Karnivool 
The Mars Volta
Mother Turtle
Onségen Ensemble
Osada Vida
Pinkroom 
Porcupine Tree
Sky Architect
Time Collapse

If I counted correctly, that’s 25 artists to choose from. I think it’s probably my favourite 25 from the many that are listed as heavy prog on PA. I could easily list another 25, and probably just as easily another 25 after that, but these are probably the crème de La crème for me. And, yes, I’m aware they are all quite modern. I do like a lot of earlier heavy prog and could easily list 25 from then, and another 25 after that, etc. - but generally, I guess I prefer the more modern heavy prog sound. 🤷🏻‍♂️

I’ll try and come back with an actual list of albums….. 🤔
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

We have a match on two favourite albums: Captain Beyond & Steel Mill. Thumbs Up

I've surely seen that! and I'm very fond of both of them. Thumbs Up

In fact, I think, there're not so few albums, we both are fond of. I've already seen quite a bit. Smile


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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

We have a match on two favourite albums: Captain Beyond & Steel Mill. Thumbs Up

I've surely seen that! and I'm very fond of both of them. Thumbs Up


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

I don't consider a few bands mentioned here as heavy prog (Anekdoten, Black Sabbath, Haken, Karnivool, Porcupine Tree).

I've reconsidered my list, see my edit. Smile
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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

This was easier that I thought it'd be. Smile
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Aallriight, happy to see and hear.
We have a match on two favourite albums: Captain Beyond & Steel Mill. Thumbs Up
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Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

This was easier that I thought it'd be. Smile
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Aallriight, happy to see and hear.
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This was easier that I thought it'd be. Smile

ARMAGEDDON - Armageddon (1975)
BAKERY - Rock Mass for Love (1971)
CAPTAIN BEYOND - Captain Beyond (1972)
DR. Z - Three Parts to My Soul (1971)
EASTER ISLAND - Easter Island (1979)
FIELDS - Fields (1971)
GRAVY TRAIN - (A Ballad of) A Peaceful Man (1971)
KEN HENSLEY - Proud Words on a Dusty Shelf (1973)
IRISH COFFEE - Irish Coffee (1971)
JACKAL - Awake (1973)
KAHVAS JUTE - Wide Open (1971)
LONE STAR - Lone Star (1976)
MAY BLITZ - May Blitz (1970)
NORTHWIND - Northwind (1974)
ODIN - Odin (1972)
PALADIN - Charge! (1972)
QUATERMASS - Quatermass (1970)
RAW MATERIAL - Time Is... (1971)
STEEL MILL - Green-Eyed God (1972)
TOMORROW'S GIFT - Tomorrow's Gift (1970)
THE UNDERGROUND SET - The Underground Set (1970)
VALHALLA - Valhalla (1969)
WRITING ON THE WALL - Power of the Picts (1969)
YEZDA URFA - Boris (1975)
ZARATHUSTRA - Zarathustra (1972)


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Here's 10 Good Ones... 1 per band
Permanent Waves - Rush
Lightbulb Sun - PT
Tug Of War - Enchant
Bridge - Everon
Age Of Impact - Explorers Club
Impossible Figures - Magellan
Presents Of Mind - Tiles
I Am Anonymous - Headspace
Gravity - Anekdoten
One In A Million - Poverty's No Crime (15 years ago, I argued that PNC should be Heavy Prog rather than PM, because they are just as much Rush-like as Enchant or Tiles, but no-one agreed then and I'm sure they won't now either, but I'm still including them)
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