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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote JD Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2022 at 09:44
Having seen them live no less than 5 times (incl. ELPowell), nothing could ever replace them actually playing together on stage. A big part of the allure for me was their ability to improvise and make each and every concert unique. I hope somewhere down the road a video will be made available of this event.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rick1 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 10 2022 at 11:54
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Having seen them live no less than 5 times (incl. ELPowell), nothing could ever replace them actually playing together on stage. A big part of the allure for me was their ability to improvise and make each and every concert unique. I hope somewhere down the road a video will be made available of this event.

Agreed, ELP were awesome live but I had to wait until the 'Black Moon' tour!!
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Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Agreed, ELP were awesome live but I had to wait until the 'Black Moon' tour!!

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Originally posted by verslibre verslibre wrote:

Originally posted by Rick1 Rick1 wrote:

Agreed, ELP were awesome live but I had to wait until the 'Black Moon' tour!!

Same here!

Yep, me too!

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I wouldn't dislike something like this. Not sure about Emerson and Lake on the screen
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Well if Yes continue in their current path, some of its members will be in worse condition than a hologram! LOL
 
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^As this recent promo shot from Steve Howe clearly shows.  LOL



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cristi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 12 2022 at 05:39
Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

^As this recent promo shot from Steve Howe clearly shows.  LOL




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I've seen the Carl Palmer ELP Legacy trio a number of times, and I recall at nearly every show Carl would explain between songs why he took an instrumental-only group out on tour (with no keyboardist)....he said he didn't want to be like "those other old prog bands" who rely on nostalgia by replacing band members who pass on, etc.   He wanted to present the old ELP stuff in a different format.  I respected that and his ELP Legacy are/were a hell of a live band.

I don't understand this macabre approach....wtf Carl?
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Again...50th ANNIVERSARY, one off tour !
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I'd like to see it. I missed Palmer when he came to L.A. a few years ago, and I wish I could have seen it. I've only seen him with ELP back in '77 and then again during Asia's first tour, and the latter wasn't much. Any chance to see him perform again would be great. A living legend.
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I'll pass on this since I don't really go to many concerts much anymore anyway. I'm certainly not seeing the band who calls themselves Yes for their CTTE tour. Anyway, I have never seen ELP proper but I have seen all members at one point or another including Keith and Greg about 12 years ago (it was the same year they had a full reunion at High Voltage but when I saw them I think Carl was busy with Asia or something). 

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I've seen Dweezil Zappa many times.
In one concert he played along with a video of Frank who was on a screen behind the band.
It was a somewhat moving tribute.
Playing an entire concert alone with the deceased members recorded seems to be too limited to be creative, and sort of crass.
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Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

I've seen Dweezil Zappa many times.
In one concert he played along with a video of Frank who was on a screen behind the band.
It was a somewhat moving tribute.
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Hi,

I have mixed feelings about all this ... especially since I have heard at least 4 or 5 versions of The Rite of Spring, or Beethoven's 5th or 9th, and Mahler's 3rd and so on ... they are all not quite the same and the ideas/visuals you get are a wee bit different, and for me they give the story of the music another level of interest that otherwise we might not have seen.

The same thing happened with Stokowski way back when as he discovered that recording could allow him to do something different with a piece of music and create moments that showed up in the piece a lot stronger than before by being somewhat buried in the regular orchestra setup. And right after this, Bernard Herrman did similarly, and made sure that the odd stuff was way up front for his Science Fiction soundtracks (all far out and must haves btw) ... and added a sense of action and excitement that does not happen if you turn the sound off and just watch the picture ... you get those two weirdos on the front talking over the picture and it looks stupid and bad, and worse ... the "audience" doesn't give a sh*t!

I have no issues with Carl doing this, and think he will know what he can do and not do much better than we give him credit for ... I don't think he would do this just for the money, when a retrospective with 6 or 7 or 8 folks wanting to be a part of it in various shows would love to do and try! It won't be the same, but 50 years later a "new audience" has a chance to experience something, with at least one third of the original, who must know what was right or wrong with the pieces he chose, and what worked or not! 

I would imagine that he can take any of Keith's solos apart, and create new drumming for it, and we end up with a completely different, and new piece of music ... that would be exciting to see, but rock audiences are not fans of the solo, unless it is a screaming and loud over the top thing that blows your ears to the next week ... and a piano or organ piece would not likely do that for us at all!

Again, I hope it all goes well ... I think Carl means the best and well for it, and I will feel really sad if folks trash it because it is nowhere near the original and sounds so different!
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Hi,

Out of curiosity, Rachel Flowers is awfully busy ... but I wonder why/how Carl would do with here because she is highly capable of experimenting and soloing and could give Carl a run for his drumming ... I kinda think that their mixing would be wonderful ... just a weird thought!
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

I've seen Dweezil Zappa many times.
In one concert he played along with a video of Frank who was on a screen behind the band.
It was a somewhat moving tribute.
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Hi,

I have mixed feelings about all this ... especially since I have heard at least 4 or 5 versions of The Rite of Spring, or Beethoven's 5th or 9th, and Mahler's 3rd and so on ... they are all not quite the same and the ideas/visuals you get are a wee bit different, and for me they give the story of the music another level of interest that otherwise we might not have seen.

The same thing happened with Stokowski way back when as he discovered that recording could allow him to do something different with a piece of music and create moments that showed up in the piece a lot stronger than before by being somewhat buried in the regular orchestra setup. And right after this, Bernard Herrman did similarly, and made sure that the odd stuff was way up front for his Science Fiction soundtracks (all far out and must haves btw) ... and added a sense of action and excitement that does not happen if you turn the sound off and just watch the picture ... you get those two weirdos on the front talking over the picture and it looks stupid and bad, and worse ... the "audience" doesn't give a sh*t!

I have no issues with Carl doing this, and think he will know what he can do and not do much better than we give him credit for ... I don't think he would do this just for the money, when a retrospective with 6 or 7 or 8 folks wanting to be a part of it in various shows would love to do and try! It won't be the same, but 50 years later a "new audience" has a chance to experience something, with at least one third of the original, who must know what was right or wrong with the pieces he chose, and what worked or not! 

I would imagine that he can take any of Keith's solos apart, and create new drumming for it, and we end up with a completely different, and new piece of music ... that would be exciting to see, but rock audiences are not fans of the solo, unless it is a screaming and loud over the top thing that blows your ears to the next week ... and a piano or organ piece would not likely do that for us at all!

Again, I hope it all goes well ... I think Carl means the best and well for it, and I will feel really sad if folks trash it because it is nowhere near the original and sounds so different!

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Originally posted by JD JD wrote:

Again...50th ANNIVERSARY, one off tour !
Take a chill pill everyone.

Even if it's a one-off, I seriously f**king despite this kind of approach. I understand that I'm on the younger side and couldn't see a lot of these bands in their prime, but I DEFINITELY wouldn't want to see such a ridiculous imitation of the original band. Just like I have absolutely no intention to watch the new, horrendously fake version of Pantera that will be touring shortly... just as OP said, a complete, unabashed cash grab. Just let the deceased musicians rest already 
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Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

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Even if it's a one-off, I seriously f**king despite this kind of approach. I understand that I'm on the younger side and couldn't see a lot of these bands in their prime, but I DEFINITELY wouldn't want to see such a ridiculous imitation of the original band. Just like I have absolutely no intention to watch the new, horrendously fake version of Pantera that will be touring shortly... just as OP said, a complete, unabashed cash grab. Just let the deceased musicians rest already 

Hi,

Honestly, I think this is unfair. We don't go around saying these kinds of things about Mozart, Beethoven, Stravinsky, or even the Beatles done by some many others and sometimes ... better! Likewise, hearing other folks do Bob Dylan, many things have sounded fantastic, especially Sandy Denny, for example!

Time passes and things change, people come and go, and "interpretations" change, since the original is long gone. But many times, the originals end up not sounding as good, or as up to date with the new audience and sound compared to how you and I think.

Senselessly, there was one band's material that was redone, and it had a f**king drum machine in it, and it really ruined the music, even if it was meant to show to a new audience that thinks that the hard/loud drumbeat is the music, and it isn't. The most we can ask from some of the rap stuff is ... where is the music?

Honestly, I hope it comes off really well ... I kinda think that it would be a nice send off for a man that was a part of a band that gave us so much ... that we still do not understand or appreciate.


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Hopefully not steering the thread off track - but about "other versions" 

I wasn't particularly thrilled with some of the latest versions of some of King Crimson's 80's songs.  Jakko isn't Belew in some of those manners.
He doesn't even do the skat (?) part of Neurotica anymore.
Or how about Indiscipline ...Cry

Though he is respectable in Epitaph 
(to wind it back to OP)

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Originally posted by MrMHead MrMHead wrote:

Hopefully not steering the thread off track - but about "other versions" 

I wasn't particularly thrilled with some of the latest versions of some of King Crimson's 80's songs.  Jakko isn't Belew in some of those manners.
He doesn't even do the skat (?) part of Neurotica anymore.
Or how about Indiscipline ...Cry

Though he is respectable in Epitaph 
(to wind it back to OP)

I don't think this is comparable with the (EL)P concert.  After the first 2 albums, King Crimson was Fripp + whoever else he allowed in the band.  The music changed with the different lineups.  Fripp had been moving away from playing songs from previous lineups.  Now he has a group that includes members who appeared on KC albums all the way back to the 70's.  I have no issues with them doing their renditions of the old songs.  It's still King Crimson, and able to be spontaneous while performing.

I don't see how (EL)P can be spontaneous in their reincarnation.

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