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Manuel
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ProgSometimes is not However, Jazz-Rock Fusion is as excellent as any other genre, and includes many talented bands/artists. |
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Saperlipopette!
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-In what other way can you operate with multiple, sometimes neighbouring genres than to first seperate them from each other? RYM's multiple genres are just handy tools for extra precision. For those of us who prefer it that way. On RYM you will know that although both are considered Jazz Fusion, the former album is much more likely to be proggy than the latter: Nucleus We'll Talk About it Later: Jazz-Rock, Jazz Fusion, Progressive Rock, Canterbury Scene Sun Ra Strange Celestial Road: Avant-Garde Jazz, Jazz-Funk, Jazz Fusion, Free Jazz, Spiritual Jazz, Experimental, Big Band -While on Prog Archives, who does not operate with multiple genres, thousands of albums that has no relation to Progressive Rock whatsoever - are wrongly promoted as belonging to some kind of Prog Rock-subgenre. One might end up thinking that a Modal Jazz album released almost decade before this fusion of Jazz and Rock was even a thing - is infact one of the most treasured Jazz Rock/Fusion-albums of all time. Btw: its not that I think you disagree with all - if any of this. I'm mainly just following my own line of thought. |
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David_D
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A remark which might be useful: Your OP looks very fine to me, Drew, but the thread title seems to be rather strange when to begin analyze it from a philosophical / epistemological point of view.
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quality over quantity, and all kind of PopcoRn almost beyond
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Cristi
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Not that useful I'm afraid...
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MikeEnRegalia
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Have a look at the list Logan posted earlier: https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:all,progressive%2drock,jazz%2dfusion/2/
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David_D
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Well, anyway, it's also a question of how to understand the word "recognize" if to be quite precize, but I think that it would be better with a title like: "PA the only site to consider J-R Fusion as Prog?"
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octopus-4
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My criteria are easy: I like it - It's prog I don't like it - It's not
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David_D
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That's clean talk. |
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Meltdowner
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I'm glad it's recognized here, I started listening to Jazz in general thanks to PA's Top 100.
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(Did I force that color change upon you, Mike?!) |
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Drew Fisher
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BrufordFreak
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That's okay. I didn't think three new threads--or two and a new poll--would have received the same attention and/or traction as this one has. Plus, the "conversations"/exchanges have be kind of fun, n'est-ce pas? |
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Drew Fisher
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BrufordFreak
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Also a factor, David, in my naming of the thread was the limited number of characters the Title/Subject box would allow. I'm okay with what I finally settled upon, thank you. |
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Drew Fisher
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David_D
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If you for instance look at top 100 Jazz-Rock / Jazz Fusion albums all-time on RYM, only 20 of these 100 albums are also tagged as Progressive Rock or one of what RYM consider to be Prog sub-genres: https://rateyourmusic.com/charts/top/album/all-time/g:jazz%2drock,jazz%2dfusion/ |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Opinions will be forever divided on whether these artists (or rather, their releases) are "more prog" or "more jazz fusion". On my website one can tag a release as "Prog Fusion", or "Prog-Adjacent Fusion", or "Non-Prog Fusion", or even "Prog Rock/Fusion", or "Prog Jazz/Rock". In the end it does not matter much, it's great music!
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MikeEnRegalia
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To respond to this question specifically, I think it goes both ways: Some prog artists used Fusion as another form of musical expression, while some Fusion artists also branched out into prog. Even now, decades after Fusion was "invented", there are modern progressive bands like Haken which are incorporating it into their style.
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AJ Junior
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Having Jazz fusion on this site is a necessity and adds to its diversity in the loose sphere of prog.
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"Together We Stand, Divided We Fall"
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Amazing to hear that Proggnosis is defunct!! I cannot imagine where i have been putting in hours of work these last 25 years including these last weeks.
As for classifying J-R Fusion we have a subgenre of Progressive Rock called.. hmm Jazz-Rock! Using Advance Search - - Under this sub-genre you will find Brian Auger, Chase, Fire Merchants, Il Baricentro and 256 more bands We also have a sub-genre of Fusion called Jazz-Fusion and there are 541 bands listed here That would include the 70's pioneers of RTF, Weather Report, Mahavishnu as well as modern artists like Aaron Comess. Endless Season, Gerald Gradwohl and so many more Needless to say - -Proggnosis is NOT DEFUNCT. Regards, DBSilver proggnosis.com |
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Amazing to hear that Proggnosis is defunct!! I cannot imagine where i have been putting in hours of work these last 25 years including these last weeks.
As for classifying J-R Fusion we have a subgenre of Progressive Rock called.. hmm Jazz-Rock! Using Advance Search - - Under this sub-genre you will find Brian Auger, Chase, Fire Merchants, Il Baricentro and 256 more bands We also have a sub-genre of Fusion called Jazz-Fusion and there are 541 bands listed here That would include the 70's pioneers of RTF, Weather Report, Mahavishnu as well as modern artists like Aaron Comess. Endless Season, Gerald Gradwohl and so many more Needless to say - -Proggnosis is NOT DEFUNCT. Regards, DBSilver proggnosis.com Edited by ProggnosisDB - September 21 2024 at 09:08 |
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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You're a smooth manipulator, you are! BTW i started the color thing to make it easy to differentiate my comments from that annoying code. As soon as i hook up my new computer it will probably stop (function(){function c(){var b=a.contentDocument||a.contentWindow.document;if(b){var d=b.createElement('script');d.innerHTML="window.__CF$cv$params={r:'8c563dbb0e6f983a',t:'MTcyNjcxMzk0Mi4wMDAwMDA='};var a=document.createElement('script');a.nonce='';a.src='/cdn-cgi/challenge-platform/scripts/jsd/main.js';document.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(a);";b.getElementsByTagName('head')[0].appendChild(d)}}if(document.body){var a=document.createElement('iframe');a.height=1;a.width=1;a.style.position='absolute';a.style.top=0;a.style.left=0;a.style.border='none';a.style.visibility='hidden';document.body.appendChild(a);if('loading'!==document.readyState)c();else if(window.addEventListener)document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded',c);else{var e=document.onreadystatechange||function(){};document.onreadystatechange=function(b){e(b);'loading'!==document.readyState&&(document.onreadystatechange=e,c())}}}})();< style=": ; top: 0px; left: 0px; border: medium none; visibility: ;" width="1" height="1">
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