1st disappointment with PA

I agree with you on those examples. But also I'm not sure If I think there not prog because I don't like them or not. I always found it hard to find prog in non-liked bands. (Except for clearly prog stuff like ELP, why don't I like them? I've tried!)

the presence of deep purple here has been many times discussed...

I Think Steve Vai Came Up At One Point! Christ!

Other than the controversy surrounding new "proto" and "prog related" additions, I've not really been disappointed. I love Pragarchives.

     Steve Vai is prog, if only for his collaboration with
Zappa, but there's a lot of progressive elements in
his solo music as well. I'm aware of his hard rock
style, but that doesn't automatically exclude
progressivism.

     What's more disappointing about PA is first the
lack of will to include obviously progressive figures
that have had enormous influence on the scene,
often by saying, "Oh that's 'avant-garde'", like with
John Zorn and Fred Frith. Second is more of a
disappointment with the users who hang on a very
narrow definition of progressive, believing it has to
do with following certain cliches set down in the
seventies, and have no historical perspective on the
music and experimentation that lead to its very
possibility...hence the frequent bashing of seminal
works like Fragile, Trespass, Court of the Crimson
King, VDGG etc. But hopefully they can still learn
something, and for that PA is fantastic.

^LOL

Ill tell you what. The only thing that actually bothers the crap out of me with PA is the lack of searching by dates. What if I just wanted to find all albums from 1978? Hmm..I'd probably be spending a lot of time here! But seriously, an archive should allow date searches!

RoyalJelly wrote:      narrow definition of progressive,

it has to be.  i don't believe that "narrow" is being negative.  that's one of the features that characterizes progressive rock...otherwise we would end up with "broad" definitions & descriptions which will lead to nothing more than disposable / ephemeral "pop" sounds.

utah_man wrote: stonebeard wrote: Other than the controversy surrounding new "proto" and "prog related" additions, I've not really been disappointed. I love Pragarchives. ...yea...  i too really love this site. i would have never discovered dozens of really great bands had it not been for PA... but consider this: non-prog visitors, or those who are new to prog sound schemes and are just now delving into it, might come across this entry here on the site and imagine that machine head is prog ! they'll go away thinking, "oh i visited progarchives and they have my favorite cd, 'machine head' on it, wow i didn't know i was into prog...'smoke on the water' is progressive...cool "

 

Actually I would hope someone who loves Deep Purple are drawn here and find out about a whole world of music they may have forgotten or missed out on. Works both ways but I would hope this scenario happens more than the one you have. 

MikeEnRegalia wrote: 70sSoundquality wrote: Agree...there is a lot of crap on here I wouldnt call prog, but a lot of stuff missing that I would call prog. Howabout "Stuff"? Not there. I have their record from 1976 and its quite prog  So everything which isn't prog is crap?

...there are different levels of crap (or crappyness)