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dralan 
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 Posted: May 01 2006 at 13:37 |
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Rabin didn't destroy anything. He helped to create an alternative Yes, and I think it was interesting to see what they can do in another style. After that they came back to the classic line-up, so Rabin didn't killed them, he only gave us a different episode in the band history. Like it or not, it was interesting. I prefer classic Yes, but I can't deny the quality of songs like Changes, Hearts, The Calling or Endless Dream. |
I totally agree. While he is no Steve Howe, he is definately an amazing guitarist and skilled songwriter. I happen to like the material they put out with Rabin. He gave them a much needed shot in the arm at that time and added another dimension to Yes-music. Ive seen them twice, once with Rabin and more recently with the old lineup and both shows were great.
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 13:54 |
Xenoxen wrote:
Trevor Rabin is a commercial money sucking sponge that used yes and yes fans to gain capitol and then dump on yes the worst album in the world called TALK because he knew they wanted him out.
Get Real People take of the blinders you horses |
Keep it civil please Xenoxen, both towards the artists, and your fellow PA members. No problem with you expressing your opinions, but there are ways....
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 14:04 |
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Trevor brought a lot to the Yes sound of the early 80's. The three albums he made are classics IMO. OK they don't have the prog leanings of what came before but did bring a new sound which at the time was fresh.
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 14:20 |
I think Trevor Is not all that talented cause in the 80's record company's let anyone Play music or produce come on look at groups like - Bot George, ABC, Bow wow wow, and so on
If trevor tried it now he would never make it. Also when trevor tried producing in the 90's nobody wanted to hear it. Union and Talk are both really bad Lps. 90125 and Big Generator sound like the 80's music free for all. I mean really how big was the hair and how many colors could you wear in one outfit. the 80's era in music was just horrible. The only band that pulled me through the 80's was Rush.
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 18:05 |
E-Dub wrote:
This is ludicrous. If anything, the 80's era of Yes introduced them to scores of new fans--myself included! 90125 was one of those crucial albums from my teenage years; but, it also was the springboard that led me to albums such as Fragile, Close To The Edge, and Relayer. If people feel that Rabin ruined the Yes name, then they're pointing the finger in the wrong direction. Ultimately, (I would think) the final decision to carry on as Yes would've been from the likes of Squire and Anderson.
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 TREVOR RABIN:
GREAT VOCALS, GUITARS, KEYBOARDS, SONGWRITING, ARRANGEMENTS, PRODUCTION...
WHAT DOU YOU WANT? 
HE KEPT THE BAND ALIVE AND AT THE SPOTLIGHT, AT HIS WORST MOMENT!!! 
HE BROUGHT A NEW SOUND TO THEIR MUSIC!!! 
I LIKE THE "CLASSIC" YES LINE-UP, 
BUT I REALLY ENJOY THE "RABIN YEARS", TOO!!! 
PLEASE, DON'T BLAME HIM!!! YOU MUST BE JOKING!!!... 
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Phil
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 18:09 |
He didn't destroy them, though he didn't do much for their prog credentials, turning the band towards AOR. (IMHO!)
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 23:50 |
Did he destroy the band? No, the band is still going strong and we should expect another album out of them around 2008 I am guessing. Musicians are a weird lot for the most part and to be honest I am amazed they stuck it out as long as they did. No, YES in my mind is the best over-all rock band to ever exist to this day. Maybe they should have went by the name they were going to use for their assault on the pop industry. "Cinema".
Remember this. Can a mainstream "pop" artist produce the like of say a "Close to the Edge"??? No. Can YES make a pop song that is technically better in structure and form to the mainstream "pop" artists work and sell millions of copies doing it? In a word..........YES!
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Posted: May 01 2006 at 23:54 |
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Rabin is an awesome guitarist who saved Yes and played on their biggest selling albums. Stop shooting him down and point out the awesome things he did. He was indeed a very talented musician. I'd like to see you do something better than him.
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 11:52 |
Fusioned wrote:
Rabin is an awesome guitarist who saved Yes and played on their biggest selling albums. Stop shooting him down and point out the awesome things he did. He was indeed a very talented musician. I'd like to see you do something better than him. |
 Who cares about biggest selling albums. I Mean Britney spears sold more LPs than all of Yes's albums combined and she sucks.
 I care about quality of music and good composing. IMO Trevor Rabin has none. He was just your basic 80's guitar player who wanted a big hair band sound and used Yes to get it without the big hair.
 As far as saving Yes, well, They didn't need him to do it. Now remember if they Kept the Name Cinema as the band name for the release of 90125 It would never reached 1 position. Especially with Trevor Rabin singing on the whole album. He needed Yes to collect the big bucks. So IMO he just used Yes and thier fans.
 They sound better on Magnification than on all the Trevor Era LPs. And Trevor isn't on that LP. So i think Yes would have been fine with any guitar player in the 80's
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 12:39 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Xenoxen wrote:
Trevor Rabin is a commercial money sucking sponge that used yes and yes fans to gain capitol and then dump on yes the worst album in the world called TALK because he knew they wanted him out.
Get Real People take of the blinders you horses |
Keep it civil please Xenoxen, both towards the artists, and your fellow PA members. No problem with you expressing your opinions, but there are ways.... |
Keep in mind what Easy said,I am not happy with some of the responses in this thread.
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 19:20 |
Well, I think everybody here forgot that YES made some horrible albuns after Rabin disbanded, like 'Open Your Eyes'  ! This album is worse than any work with Rabin...
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Posted: May 02 2006 at 22:08 |
herbie53 wrote:
Well, I think everybody here forgot that YES made some horrible albuns after Rabin disbanded, like 'Open Your Eyes' ! This album is worse than any work with Rabin... |
Actually this LP is very good. The guitar work is far superior to Rabin's 80's whims. Even Though the songs aren't great but good thay still have a well structured composition about them. Whereas Rabin
seems to be too choppy with arrangements.
Edited by Xenoxen - May 02 2006 at 22:08
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Posted: May 03 2006 at 15:15 |
Rabin destroyed them financially???????????????????
It's a joke, isn't it?
Talk was a failure but the rest....even Union was certified gold in several countries and the tour was one of the most profitable in that year...I even don't talk about 90125 and Big generator which sold million copies and fulfilled arenas...
No Yes other members of this era can thank him for the cash!
Musically it's another debate but I don't think that 90125 or Union are poorer than Tormato or Open Your Eyes.
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Posted: May 03 2006 at 15:21 |
and anyone saw Yes Union live DVD?
anyone remembers Rabin's solos??? it just kicks ass!!!!
If anyone here is able to do just the 1/10 of what he is doing technically then maybe you ahve a little word to say but I would really be surprised...
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Posted: May 03 2006 at 15:54 |
Vicarious Hmmm The Concept is mighty fishy - Like the same concept PG- The barry williams Show
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Posted: May 03 2006 at 22:59 |
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I really enjoy Yes Rabin Era albums... in fact a few days ago I buied BIG GENERATOR on vinyl... Is not bad...
Peace and Love
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Posted: May 04 2006 at 15:31 |
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As judged by Yes's post 90125 and Big Generator albums, Rabin didn't destroy them, it was the commercialism of them that cause the bigwigs in the music industry to put presure on other bands to sound so commercial
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Dr. Occulator
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Posted: May 04 2006 at 16:09 |
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Although I don't really like the direction Yes took with Rabin on board
he certainly didn't destroy them They went in that direction willingly
observing the 80's trends. They're not stupid. That style at the time
probably made them more money than staying the way they were. It also
brought new fans to Yes who then searched their past catalogues and who
now probably realize that CTTE and Fragile were the pinnacle of Yes's
creativity. All in all Yes with Rabin did serve a useful if not totally
musical purpose in exposing Yes to new fans.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: May 05 2006 at 00:29 |
Xenoxen wrote:
Vicarious Hmmm The Concept is mighty fishy - Like the same concept PG- The barry williams Show
Not too original |
What is a comment about Tool,who no one has mentioned in this poll,doing in this thread???????? No more baiting!!!!
Edited by TheProgtologist - May 05 2006 at 00:30
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TOD KREMER
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Posted: May 05 2006 at 02:36 |
Rabin pretty good. Does not deserve derision. Good guitarist.
I thought his vocals were a good counterpoint to Jon's. He gave you a break once in a while from Jon's chirppy-ness.
Listen to "Leave It" (especially acappella version). Trevor brough good vocal arrangements and vocal depth to the band.
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