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kebjourman 
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Posted: July 25 2006 at 23:21 |
i always hear that Robert Fripps a total jerk to people, but i have no idea what hes done to be considered a mean person.
what has he done?
Edited by kebjourman - July 25 2006 at 23:21
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chamberry
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 00:03 |
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For starters he fired alot of his band members . . .
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The Ryan
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 00:36 |
 chamberry wrote:
For starters he fired alot of his band members . . . |
That does sound very cruel, but then again that is business. Business must come first with Fripp.
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dagrush
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:11 |
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There's the famous, often questioned limo ride with Lake (see search button), that seems to be a popular one.
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:12 |
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I heard it's almost impossible to get his autograph. I read some
interview where he gave a really verbose, wordy reason why he doesn't
like signing autographs. He seems like a really distant, cold guy on
the outside.
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Australian
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:16 |
I was never aware of all this!
Steve Howe is my favorite guitarist for certain now.
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Losendos
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:16 |
Most of his releases have complete rubbish on them . Here I don't mean filler or thin pop tracks but complete utter crap.
Time is too precious a commodity to waste on 10 minutes of moonchild and the last 10 minutes of In the Wake of Poseidon. I would rather he made a 30 minute disk than treat the listener as a fool.
Edited by Losendos - July 26 2006 at 02:17
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How wonderful to be so profound
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dagrush
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:39 |
Australian wrote:
I was never aware of all this!
Steve Howe is my favorite guitarist for certain now. |
Oh no, an artist does something outside of his art that I dislike! I will value his art less now!
Losendos wrote:
Most of his releases have complete rubbish on them . Here I don't mean filler or thin pop tracks but complete utter crap.
Time is too precious a commodity to waste on 10 minutes of
moonchild and the last 10 minutes of In the Wake of Poseidon. I would
rather he made a 30 minute disk than treat the listener as a fool. |
What's wrong with the last ten minutes of In The Wake?
Edited by dagrush - July 26 2006 at 02:42
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CaincelaOreinim
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:41 |
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Wowo...Fripp's not the most elysian or accommodating working musician out there...but where in his contract as an arist does it say he has to be; has to be NICE to complete strangers whose demands are astronomical, etc?
Read his diaries...past, present, and future...they'll give you an idea of who he is. Go to DGMLIVE.com.
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:42 |
dagrush wrote:
Australian wrote:
I was never aware of all this!
Steve Howe is my favorite guitarist for certain now. |
Oh no, an artist does something outside of his art that I dislike! I will value his art less now!
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QFT. Maybe that means you wouldn't want to be his friends, but you
shouldn't judge his work differently just cause he was an asshole.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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DeepPhreeze
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:50 |
OpethGuitarist wrote:
dagrush wrote:
Australian wrote:
I was never aware of all this!
Steve Howe is my favorite guitarist for certain now. |
Oh no, an artist does something outside of his art that I dislike! I will value his art less now!
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QFT. Maybe that means you wouldn't want to be his friends, but you
shouldn't judge his work differently just cause he was an asshole.
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No I understand where he's coming from entirely; imagine you listened to somebody's music and liked it a LOT and embraced it as part of yourself and later they turned on their own values and gave the fans a big 'F.U.'. When Metallica sold out, fans stopped listening to them altogether. Part of the music is the attitude of the performer/composer, and if their attitude isn't in tune with their music chances are they're in it for other reasons than 'self-expression'.
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Viajero Astral
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 02:54 |
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Yeah, he can be an as****e sometimes, but he's a great musician (my favourite).
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iguana
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 03:08 |
dagrush wrote:
There's the famous, often questioned limo ride with Lake (see search button), that seems to be a popular one.
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can't find it – what happened there?
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progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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dagrush
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 03:40 |
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I can't seem to find the limo thread either, but the supposed basic story was:
Fripp came to visit Lake when ELP was on tour in '77. Lake talked to him for a while backstage and eventually, the two got in a limo together. During the ride, Lake suggested to Fripp that they get the original lineup of KC back together. Fripp didn't give a straight answer and he said he'd give Lake a call. Lake wanted an answer on the spot and Fripp asked, "What do you think?". Lake promptly threw him out of the car.
Of course, everybody denies it and it could've been that Fripp threw Lake out instead, which would be why I referenced it in the first place.
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coffeeintheface
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 04:34 |
CaincelaOreinim wrote:
Wowo...Fripp's not the most elysian or
accommodating working musician out there...but where in his contract as
an arist does it say he has to be; has to be NICE to complete strangers
whose demands are astronomical, etc?
Read his diaries...past, present, and future...they'll give you an idea of who he is. Go to DGMLIVE.com.
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I'm not saying I disagree with Fripp's attitude at all, but since this
thread is about discussion of whether or not he is a "jerk", I thought
it would be interesting to mention. His personality doesn't negatively
affect my enjoyment of his music at all.
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BaldFriede
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 05:02 |
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Frank Zappa wasn't the easiest guy to get around with either.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 05:13 |
If you want legendary band-leading b*****ds check out the Buddy Rich thread started earlier this year and the mp3 sample
Speaking with Jakko Jakszyk before the start of my radio show, it will clear this very honest musician, had a lot of affection and respect for Robert Fripp. Many of the comments above are not confirmed.
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 05:44 |
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I thought Fripp, rather than being a jerk, was nuts
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 05:59 |
Robert Fripp is a passive-agressive, very demanding personality. If things doesn't work as he wants he starts to behave very rude like disqualifying, ignoring, provoking and often making rude of humiliating comments. For example, he annoyed people around him by playing scales on his guitar for hours or didn't speak to the other band members on tour for days because he was upset about a small thing ..  .
I suggest to read In The Court Of King Crimson by Sid Smith (I have reviewed it on this site), you will be astonished how rude Robert Fripp can be .. 
Edited by erik neuteboom - July 26 2006 at 06:01
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Cheesecakemouse
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Posted: July 26 2006 at 06:06 |
I just read your review, it sounds like Fripp had some social and/or emotional problems, I knew he was eccentric, perhaps he isn't a jerk maybe he's just misunderstood?
Edited by Cheesecakemouse - July 26 2006 at 06:08
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