Bootlegs

Careful of terminology here. "Bootlegs" are live recordings which are never likely to be released commercially. You'll notice that the record companies argument in law courts, is that bootlegs are stealing revenue from the company and their artists; this was used against a bootlegger put away for 2 and half years (plus a hefty fine) in the UK. As such, these legal arguments can be quite false. Rather it is 'pirate' copies of legit recordings for which the copyright is held by the record company and (less likely) the musicians, which should be debated.

Don't see why not? I'm don't really care.. hardly ever listen to live releases, or there should be something really special included. I only have bootlegs for gigs I've been to, or so I know what to expect for an upcoming gig, but nothing else... 

In the Seventies bootleg albums were white albums with a black and white information sheet on it, the names of the illegal record companies often were funny names. I have bought a  lot of these albums because of the interesting live recordings, for example from early Genesis, Yes, ELP, Todd Rundgren, Marillion, Roxy Music, King Crimson and Gentle Giant. The sound quality was between mediocre and poor but this was compensated by the exciting live music that was in those days not officially released.

Edited by erik neuteboom - August 17 2006 at 19:18

Oh yeah, I have a few bootleg dvd's... but those are mostly more enjoyable because of the visual aspect 

goose wrote: And another set of terminology: amongst traders of unreleased live material, "bootleg" only refers to unofficial releases that are sold ; elsewise they're just recordings - indeed bootleggers' activities tend to be castigated by those freely (and often legally, I might add!) trading unreleased recordings (see www.dimeadozen.org or www.archive.org/details/etree)

Holy crap! That site is great. A bunch of bands I never heard of though. All free at the Archive site? Shweet!

Any recommendations for prog bands that might be there?

I have a ton of Dream theater bootlegs (non-unofficial), I can't see why not!

StyLaZyn wrote: goose wrote: And another set of terminology: amongst traders of unreleased live material, "bootleg" only refers to unofficial releases that are sold ; elsewise they're just recordings - indeed bootleggers' activities tend to be castigated by those freely (and often legally, I might add!) trading unreleased recordings (see www.dimeadozen.org or www.archive.org/details/etree) Holy crap! That site is great. A bunch of bands I never heard of though. All free at the Archive site? Shweet! Any recommendations for prog bands that might be there?

Sadly there's practically no prog whatsoever on the archive... there's a token selection of the big names in post rock (Mogwai, GYBE!, EitS) which is pretty nice, and Estradasphere, who are excellent in a mad genre-hopping sort of way. Dime is the source for the lion's share of unofficial recordings I get, so if you know your way around bittorrent (and even if you don't: the only real requirement is a 0.25+ ratio, which isn't hard at all!) then I'd check the main page every now and then for when signups are open as a quick idea, here's the newest page of uploads tagged as progressive rock:

Rush Milwaukee 6-13-97 (AUD)
Greenslade - Stockholm, SWE - 750310 *FM*
Greenslade: BBC 1973 / 1974
Smashing Pumpkins - May 11th, 1996
Swords (formerly Swords Project)
Yes 2001-08-11 Columbus OH Magnification Tour w/Orchestra MASTER
Crack the Sky - Painter's Mill, Baltimore 1990-12-28. NTSC DVD (aud)
King Crimson Live Alabama-Halle Munich 1982-09-29 Both FM and TV versions
Yes 1994-07-11 Gorge WA DAT MASTER
Tool - 03-30-1997 - Torquay, Australia
Mars Volta 2005-6/3 @ Greek Theater, Berkeley, CA
Renaissance: New Haven, Toad's place 3-5 (?) June 1987 (last ever show)
Genesis 1971-03-07 - Hogweeds - RESEED
The Flower Kings Rockpalast 10 May 1996 SB
Renaissance: Paris Theatre 1973
Patrice Meyer Quartet - Live At Angers 30.10.87
Dream Theater - Camden, NJ 2002-09-08 - Sonic Rage
YES 2002-08-08 Camden, NJ 2 Disc NTSC DVD SBD ProShot TooleMan **Reseed
Mars Volta 2006-8/7 @ The Catalyst, Santa Cruz
DVD SUPERTRAMP, DIGITAL UPDATE, MADRID 24 March 1988, Palacio de los Deportes
Rush - 1997-05-10 - Simulated California
Wigwam: Oh My God, It's Bertha! (Käpylä 4.6.2006)
Henry Cow, Milano 1977 (Edit / Remix / Remaster)
Ike Willis Band - 1986 Los Angeles, unknown venue, SBD
Yes JFK Stadium June 12 1976 Solos Tour, Yes' biggest venue!

I'm not quite sure how the Smashing Pumpkins, among others, crept in there, but it's still a pretty nice selection considering all these were added in the last three days

Logos wrote: Dick Heath wrote: Careful of terminology here. "Bootlegs" are live recordings which are never likely to be released commercially. Not necessarily a live recording.

Quite right - but strictly unreleased material, e.g the recently recovered Beatles Twickenham tapes - of rehearsals etc in preparation for Let It Be, were being bootlegged. Hendrix who apparently was as close to a tape recorder as much as his guitar has had studio recordings bootlegged to an extensive level, e.g Jimi Hendrix with Traffic  or Hendrix with John McLaughlin - occasionally you see legitimised versions appear. Radio broadcasts by bands have been rich sources of bootlegs, so it is disappointing when you hear a legit release sound worse than a 3rd generation bootleg copied from a cassette, when you would have expected master tapes to be used - e.g. Tempest's Radio One In Concert.

My brother is sooooo far into the booties....he won't buy official releases anymore.  He just hooks up with fans on the 'net and trades pirated releases with them.  Everytime I go to his house he's burning another disc to send out while playing his latest cracklin' and hissin' bootleg on his hi-fi.

StyLaZyn wrote: Intruder wrote: My brother is sooooo far into the booties....he won't buy official releases anymore.  He just hooks up with fans on the 'net and trades pirated releases with them.  Everytime I go to his house he's burning another disc to send out while playing his latest cracklin' and hissin' bootleg on his hi-fi. What is the attraction to a hissy recording? I think it would be annoying.