Kamelot A Question

Two part answer

Kamelot is drastically different than either of those two bands

Kamelot shouldnt be here

Kamelot is the definition of power metal.

Websites which list Kamelot as a progressive band:

- Progarchives
- Gnosis
- Progressiveworld
- Progressiveears
- Babyblaue-Seiten (German Website)
- Progtology.com

Any further questions?

So: Yes, Kamelot are very different from Yes (aparently) and even from Dream Theater. No, that doesn't make them non-prog.

^ thanks! But of course there are different "shades" of progressiveness. I *do* agree that Kamelot have an affinity to mainstream and ... well, simplicity - at least in some songs. But they make up for that with some really nice complex songs, and all the songs are woven together in concept albums, with recurring themes and other little subtleties that make them stand out from normal power metal bands.

BTW: the same applies for Blind Guardian (at least on three of their albums). 

Edited by MikeEnRegalia - September 25 2006 at 02:27

MikeEnRegalia wrote: Websites which list Kamelot as a progressive band:- Progarchives- Gnosis- Progressiveworld- Progressiveears- Babyblaue-Seiten (German Website)- Progtology.com Any further questions?So: Yes, Kamelot are very different from Yes (aparently) and even from Dream Theater. No, that doesn't make them non-prog.

    

this doesn't prove anything... maybe if i check myself, i'll find even more sites that don't agree with Kamelot being prog...

seems to me that many fans respectfully take tech Power Metal for prog... sure, Kamelot, Angra, Eldritch and so many others have some prog elements... but, 70% of their album is pure teutonic power metal the way Rainbow and later on, Helloween first taught... given that power metal is a demanding - skillwise - genre, it's perfectly natural that they have hyper tech parts... and even the existence of concept albums doesn't nessecarily prove anything...

toolis wrote: MikeEnRegalia wrote: Websites which list Kamelot as a progressive band:- Progarchives- Gnosis- Progressiveworld- Progressiveears- Babyblaue-Seiten (German Website)- Progtology.com Any further questions?So: Yes, Kamelot are very different from Yes (aparently) and even from Dream Theater. No, that doesn't make them non-prog.      this doesn't prove anything... maybe if i check myself, i'll find even more sites that don't agree with Kamelot being prog... seems to me that many fans respectfully take tech Power Metal for prog... sure, Kamelot, Angra, Eldritch and so many others have some prog elements... but, 70% of their album is pure teutonic power metal the way Rainbow and later on, Helloween first taught... given that power metal is a demanding - skillwise - genre, it's perfectly natural that they have hyper tech parts... and even the existence of concept albums doesn't nessecarily prove anything...

You're welcome to look for websites which don't agree with Kamelot being prog ... but please then don't claim that these websites have more weight than you grant my websites.

I already said it in another thread: Those things can't be proven or disproven. If there was an easy way to objectively verify the prog status of bands, we wouldn't be discussing it here!

^ I don't agree. I know what you're saying, and I know that sometimes people are trying to find "excuses" for getting bands listed - in prog metal both technicality and experimentality can be a big temptation.

But I don't think that that's the case with Kamelot, Angra or Eldritch. Compared to Iron Maiden or Helloween I (personally) find enough differences to say that they're prog, and the others are not. It's not a strict yes/no decision though ... On my website I now have 5 levels (6 if you count "non-prog" as a level too):

- Non-Prog
- Slightly Prog
- Moderately Prog (this I also call Prog-Related)
- Quite Prog (this is where bands like Kamelot reside IMO - although on the edge to prog-related at times)
- Very Prog
- Extremely Prog (this is for the "top of the progs" - Gentle Giant - Octopus, Yes - Close to the Edge etc)



Edited by MikeEnRegalia - September 25 2006 at 10:06

Yes, I have become quite a Kamelot fan of late, and am looking forward to seeing them in Cheltenham next March, very much.

The Black Halo album by Kamelot is progressive enough to be here. The others don't.
and i will say for the tenth time that i don't know why Nevermore is in the archives xD
they are much progger than Blind Guardian, Kamelot and Iron Maiden

Kamelot are only listed as prog because they play power metal, which is itself a complex genre, and they embrace common prog stereotypes (epic themes like slaying drangons, and unnecessary over-the-top pretentiousness).


In reality, they are less "progressive" than Iron Maiden was in their time, but they don't suffer the stigma of having popularity (an unwritten requirement which gets many bands excluded from this site).




Edited by SolariS - September 25 2006 at 19:19