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Reed Lover 
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 Posted: February 10 2005 at 07:31 |
Hey, guys !
here is something totally revelatory for you:
Miles Davis, incredibly talented trumpet artist has made some very innovative recordings in many different styles.
However, and I know this is going to shock you,he was a Jazz Artist/Musician performing jazz music.
As such he belongs in a Jazz Database.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 10 2005 at 07:38 |
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I think that the album selection presented on the first post would make MILES worthy of the Archives but surely not his whole career. Bitches Brew & Silent Way is where fusion start.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: February 10 2005 at 07:44 |
Bloody hell - I've no choice - I don't want to do it - but I have to - here goes - +++deep breath+++ Reed Lover: I 100% totally and utterly agree with you! 
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 10 2005 at 08:24 |
Jim Are you feeling well? You just agreed with Reed!!!!! 
Sorry Reed
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 10 2005 at 08:33 |
Syncapated!!!
Love Bitches Brew, but lets keep Jazz musos out of the archives, along with pop sh!te like ELO etc..
Grrreeaaatt...!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Syzygy
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Posted: February 10 2005 at 11:07 |
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I think this is another instance where an 'of interest' section would be a good idea - Davis employed many musicians who went on to make significant contributions to the jazzier end of prog, most notably John McLaughlin but also key members of RTF and Weather Report. The response to this indicates that lots of contributors like a lot of Miles Davis' work, but almost none of us consider it prog.
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'Like so many of you
I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'
Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom
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Alucard
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Posted: February 10 2005 at 11:27 |
 Sweetnighter wrote:
Yes or no? I think the dilemma in terms of submitting davis as an applicant to the archives is this: although he released such a diverse amount of fusion rock albums in the late 60s and 70s (not to mention basically inventing the genre), its such a small part of his repotoire because of the sheer amount of albums he released. Realistically, the entire fusion category in the archives as we know it, with groups like Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra, and groups that would be influenced by his music, such as Soft Machine and later Brand X, wouldn't even be here. I feel that some of his fusion releases are absolutely essential in the library of a true prog rocker that his not being in the archives is really a shame. Here are some of those albums that i think make his need to be in here essential.
  Agharta and Panagea 1975
 On the Corner 1972
 Live-Evil 1970
 Bitches Brew 1969
 In a Silent Way 1969
An interesting solution would be to include all of Davis' works post-1967, as nothing he did before had any relation to rock.
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I agree completely Sweetnighter, MD was very influenced by Hendrix and the english fusion. In the records you mention he is mainly searching for a new sound : electric guitar in theperson of John Mc Laughlin, Electric bass, (Ron Carter left because he didn't liked playing Ebass),and electric keys( Fender Rhodes and Clavinet,Chick Corea and K.Jarrett) Like Zappa MD used the recording studio from then on as a tool. He taped whatever the musicians played (often just a simple harmonic guideline ) and than sliced the stuff and put it back together in his unique 's way. His approach is defenitely neither Jazz nor Rock so why not call it Prog.
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Dick Heath
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Posted: February 11 2005 at 05:23 |
Manunkind wrote:
Yes, Davis created jazz rock, but I still think
that "In a Silent Way" and "Bitches Brew" are as progressive as the
aformentioned albums.
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Qutoe: 'Bitches Brew & Silent Way is where fusion start'.
How many times does one have to say Davis DIDN'T create jazz rock fusion. He did more than most to popularise it. READ
Stuart Nicholson's excellent book Jazz Rock A History, where there is a
chapter devoted to Davis's place in the genre.
Edited by Dick Heath
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 14 2005 at 02:48 |
What's this stuff about keeping out Jazz fans out anyway? I do not see many people begging for inclusion of Cannonball Adderley , Ornette Coleman , Louis Armstrong or John Coltrane in our Archives. Having Davis (and Hancock) on here would probably not change much. Don't get me wrong , I'm not making a case for them here but surely more progressive than Roxy Music.
I know many Jazz fans that respect prog .
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