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Cluster One
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Topic: Rick Wright: Overrated or Irreplacable? Posted: February 27 2005 at 03:52 |
I started this thread after reading some disturbing (ignorant?)
comments about Richard Wright. I think the term 'muppet' was used   Humourous, but untrue.
I wondered if anyone was willing to 'take up the torch' for poor ol'
Rick. Is he a constructive member of the Floyd? What was his value to
the Waters/Gilmour/Barrett dominated band? What did he contribute to
the overall 'Pink Floyd sound'? Is/was he important at all?
Or is Rick just dead weight? He certainly isn't an Emerson, Wakeman or Banks BUT...
Before I weigh in with my thoughts, I'd like to hear from some Floyd fans and haters alike.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 04:10 |
I believe he essential to Floyd, without him we wouldn't have had "Great Gig in the Sky" or the wonderful piano in "Us and Them". I am a big fan of his organ playing in "Echoes" "Time" and you cannot forget his synth intro on "Sheep" Listening to those tracks (and there are many many more) I think its pretty bad to say that Rick Wright is deadweight.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 05:09 |
My post from the Unsung Heroes thread....
I nominate Rick Wright
All the kudos in Floyd goes to Gilmour and Waters and while they were probably the fulcrum around which the most creative aspects of Floyd swung, Rick's contribution was always phenomenal.
Check out his synth work on 'Animals' - it totally informs the cold, stark and often vicious ambience of the whole album and IMO is as crucial to the feel of that great album as Gilmour's outstanding guitar playing.
His playing on Echoes is awesome - understated yes, but always atmospheric, fluid and beautful.
His hammond, piano, clavinet and synth washes on Shine On are simply superb and always 'on message' - there's not a stray chord or note on there, everything he does is tasteful and clever. Perfect prog 'minimalism'.
And to have contributed Great Gig in the Sky and Us and Them to one of prog's key recordings makes him a true unsung hero.
Not the most technically gifted player, Wright makes up for a lack of showy (for that often read pointless) chops with taste, a considered style and a brilliant sense of when less is more. Great ear for melody too.
Rick Wright unsung hero
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 08:26 |
Rick was one of the strongest musicians in the Barrett days. He had the best voice in the band and made some lovely tunes. Too bad he lacked self confidence, because he could have been a powerful influence on the Pink Floyd sound.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 08:55 |
Rick was/is indeed highly talented, and a key part of PF around the time of DSOTM. Unfortunately, he did rather let the band down later, appearing to become completely disinterested in contributing anything towards "The wall".
Now I know that was very much Roger's baby, but given the icy relationship betwen Waters and Gilmour at the time, it is significant that they agreed that Wright was out of order.
His solo albums show him to be immensly creative, but he does seem to have been his own worst enemy at times.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 09:05 |
Mr. Wright is certainly a driving force behind PF and not being a virtuoso doesnt mean his lack of creativity. He knows music and he knows how to compose. Overrated ? well, if you discuss with die hard fans, they'll do anything to convince you that Wright is better than Wakeman for example. Wright is not as essential to PF as for example Emmerson was to ELP or Wakenam was to Yes. He could have been replaced by Billy Preston and nobody would have noticed. Now for his solo albums; Not so, lets say, popular. Broken China is quite a downer, I dont like it, but it has a lot of quality in it (have to admit).
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 11:22 |
Hi Everybody,
I think the matter here is the Style of each keybordist.
The style of Mr. Wright is complettely differnet of Wakeman's or Emerson's. The great quality of Wright is "build climax"(I don't know how to express this in English), but his keyboard is not a vituoso faster solo style, but makes the pillar of the sound of Pink Floyd.
To be original is very important to me, and he is ! He doesn't copy any other keybordist. He just plays Rick Wright's Pink Floyd sound, and he is brilliant !
Best Greetings
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 11:32 |
i love Rick! his best moments are on dark side with us and them and great gig i would say. I've always loved his input but i much prefered the early pre meddle years when he used an organ instead of keyboards, i loved that really gloomy, psychadelic sound they got on albums like more, saucer and ummagumma.
Rick was obviously a key member of the band as after he left the band fell apart, Dave and Nick obviously saw this other wise they wouldnt have hired him back. He is one of my favourite prog musicians. A very overlooked keyboardist.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 12:15 |
It appears the people seem to underestimate the value of Rick Wright to Pink Floyd. Just look at the differences between The Division Bell and Wright-less albums like The Final Cut and A Momentary Lapse of Reason. TDB has so much more atmosphere then its recent predecessors, like on Marooned or Cluster One. Wright was probably the leading contributor to the Pink Floyd sound. I doubt Pink Floyd could have recovered from the loss of Syd Barrett without Rick.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 12:51 |
I think he was definitely irreplaceable.
In fact, I took my screen name from him.
I think that while Rick Wright is not a virtuoso in terms of playing, he's got a real composer's ear. What's more, he knows exactly what he can and can't do, so he never makes it seem like he's hit the limits of his ability. Because of that, we don't REALLY know where his limits are. Smart strategy.
I think that in many cases, he was the one who could give a track a really powerful musical atmosphere and come up with original chord sequences that stick in your head. Many of the best songs Pink Floyd wrote, he had a hand in--"Echoes", "Great Gig", "Shine On", "Marooned", and so on all come to mind.
And it is no coincidence to me that as he was pushed out of the band (putting up with Roger Waters would make ANYBODY "lose interest" in dealing with that day in and day out, I think!), the quality of the music steadily declined, starting with Animals, where there really ought not have been a concept. The Wall was pretty poor musically with the exception of certain songs...nothing like the Floyd's former glory. As for The Final Cut, the only reason that one is musically interesting isn't in the chord structures Roger Waters wrote (which are very, very standard), but in the orchestrations by Michael Kamen. And you can still feel an absence. As for Momentary Lapse, it gets closer to the Floyd sound, less stifling, more enjoyable, but the Floyd sound really comes back on The Division Bell, where Rick Wright was reinstated.
Coincidence? I think not.
In my opinion, Dream Theater's Kevin Moore was a lot like him. And when Moore left and Rudess came in (can't speak for Sherinian because I haven't heard him) and they did Scenes from a Memory, DT damn near came unpinned.
BTW, how is Broken China a downer? I thought it had the most optimistic ending of any Pink Floyd-related thing I'd ever heard!
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 12:55 |
His voice is a rare treat, and one of the reasons I love "The Division Bell", also he is a strong muscian, though often in the background the keyboard et al play an important part in Floyd's often atmospheric sound, and the entire band greatly contributed to the Pink Floyd sound as a team, which I think is conveyed somewhat in "Live at Pompei."
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 13:14 |
He was an important contributor from the start. However, by the time of Dark Side and Wish You Were Here, his contributions were absolutely critical. And, as many have inferred, there simply would not have been an "Animals" (my favorite PF album) without him.
It is also interesting that no one has mentioned The Wall: for all the drubbing it gets, Wright's contributions are my favorite part, especially his amazing organ work. Indeed, his work on "Babe, Don't Leave Me Now" is among the spookiest, most amazing keyboard work on any PF track.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 13:17 |
Rick Wright was the basis from which all Floyd music begins.. and he was the underlying force that held it all together. None of Floyd, including David, were showmen on stage... they did what they did better than than most, but left the theatrics up to the props and light show...
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 13:32 |
i would even say he is as good on lead vocals than on keyboards
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 13:45 |
maani wrote:
He was an important contributor from the start. However, by the time of Dark Side and Wish You Were Here, his contributions were absolutely critical. And, as many have inferred, there simply would not have been an "Animals" (my favorite PF album) without him.
It is also interesting that no one has mentioned The Wall: for all the drubbing it gets, Wright's contributions are my favorite part, especially his amazing organ work. Indeed, his work on "Babe, Don't Leave Me Now" is among the spookiest, most amazing keyboard work on any PF track.
Peace.
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I think you are giving credit where it is not due there Maani. Wright by his own admission barely contributed a note to "The wall". Dave Gilmour says that "an awful lot of the keyboard parts were done by me, Roger, Bob Ezrin, Michael Kamen (and) Freddie Mandell". Waters wrote keyboard parts for Wright to play, but Wright declined the offer to come in and record them, hence he was fired by Waters.
The section on "The wall" in the recent Q magazine special on Pink Floyd has the full story of the album in the words of the four band members. While their opinions differ, their recollections of what happened and who did what, are surprisingly consistent.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 13:53 |
Irreplaceable. Just listen to the album "Wish You Were Here" again.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:01 |
Easy Livin wrote:
maani wrote:
He was an important contributor from the start. However, by the time of Dark Side and Wish You Were Here, his contributions were absolutely critical. And, as many have inferred, there simply would not have been an "Animals" (my favorite PF album) without him.
It is also interesting that no one has mentioned The Wall: for all the drubbing it gets, Wright's contributions are my favorite part, especially his amazing organ work. Indeed, his work on "Babe, Don't Leave Me Now" is among the spookiest, most amazing keyboard work on any PF track.
Peace.
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I think you are giving credit where it is not due there Maani. Wright by his own admission barely contributed a note to "The wall". Dave Gilmour says that "an awful lot of the keyboard parts were done by me, Roger, Bob Ezrin, Michael Kamen (and) Freddie Mandell". Waters wrote keyboard parts for Wright to play, but Wright declined the offer to come in and record them, hence he was fired by Waters.
The section on "The wall" in the recent Q magazine special on Pink Floyd has the full story of the album in the words of the four band members. While their opinions differ, their recollections of what happened and who did what, are surprisingly consistent. | hmm i think you both make good points. His levels of input may have been quite low but i just cant deny the amazing life he brought to the band when he actually plays his keyboards on the albums and live performances
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:09 |
It was I who called him a muppet - I am reconsidering that insult - I suggest that as a prog keyboard player - he is way down the list along with Mr Kaye...But he has an atmospheric use of VCS3 which would be a useful - filler in a band behind a virtuoso such as Wakenman, Banks, Orford or Badens..Or maybe Robert John Godfrey - Master of the symphonic synth sound !
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 14:51 |
Swinton MCR wrote:
It was I who called him a muppet - I am reconsidering that insult - I suggest that as a prog keyboard player - he is way down the list along with Mr Kaye...But he has an atmospheric use of VCS3 which would be a useful - filler in a band behind a virtuoso such as Wakenman, Banks, Orford or Badens..Or maybe Robert John Godfrey - Master of the symphonic synth sound ! | you should check out his amazing work on the albums a saucerful of secrets, more and ummagumma, i think his best work was definetly on this album as he favoured a lot more organ and piano work rather than the basic keyboard sound and synth.
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Posted: February 27 2005 at 15:36 |
In regard to what happened with Rick on the Wall.. I think he would of been more contributing if he felt like he was being appreciated and had some input. Some people just aren't the type to allow one member to completely take over a band.. and hand them some parts to play without allowing any personal input. Whats the use in calling it a band.. its really one guy and some contracted players.... In Ricks own words:
http://pinkfloydhyperbase.dk/scraps/mojo1299.htm
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